• Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]@hexbear.netEnglish
      13·
      3 days ago

      Am I reading a different thread to you? I didn’t even notice it.

      Huh. So I just went back to count and there is currently one (1) comment with nya speak. One. A single comment. On the whole 75 comment thread.

      Like actually, for real, I really hope you’re referring to a different thread to the one I just read, because otherwise, you’re absolutely being a bigoted ass, and all 28 people who upvoted you without checking for themselves ought to do some self crit.

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
        10·
        3 days ago

        This is the second time recently that I have seen an extremely annoying tendency to extrapolate a single comment into an entire community of people. I suppose it is bigoted in this context, and if it is part of a larger rhetorical trend, this is extremely bad for the community.

            • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              26·
              3 days ago

              Calling things “cringe” is a tool social enforcement of anyone that doesn’t fit inside a certain behavioural box. If we don’t think marginalised groups should be marginalised then we shouldn’t use a tool of marginalisation.

              Become the cringe. It’s ok. Be a cringe accelerationist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH-uB_eaLvM

              • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                11·
                3 days ago

                I don’t think this is a line consistently held by the site, see nerd It would be cool if it was, but I think there are some really fundamental issues with the site culture that the user you are responding to is presenting a mild symptom of.

                • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  15·
                  3 days ago

                  There’s definitely a contingent of people that feel viscerally repulsed by “cringe”. They can’t handle it.

                  They need exposure therapy, we should be cringier.

                  • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    10·
                    3 days ago

                    I don’t think it can be corrected with exposure therapy as the main instrument. There’s a deeper element of reactionary sentiment that extends far past the ability to address indirectly for most people. It needs to be fought directly.

              • yunqihao [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                3·
                3 days ago

                If we don’t think marginalised groups should be marginalised then we shouldn’t use a tool of marginalisation.

                Is it a crazy take to say their are groups and actions that deserve to be marginalised as cringe. I’m thinking of groups like the liberal who arrogantly spouts off on a topic they only know of through vibes, reactionaries of all stripes, and being an “apolitical” centrist etc. People who fall into categories such as these deserves to be marginalised as cringe imo for the good of society (and to a point honestly themselves).

                • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  7·
                  3 days ago

                  We can reject behaviors on a basis other than vague aestheticized social pressure, because that rejection should be for a reason that isn’t just “vibes” or something happening to be or not be convention.

                  I think it’s quite easy to tell someone not to spout off about shit they are ignorant about with authoritative confidence, but I can just tell them as much (or “No investigation, no right to speak”) without needing to resort to a concept like “cringe”.

                  • Salah [ey/em]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    4·
                    3 days ago

                    I want to say I really appreciate how you explain things and call out issues in the site culture. When I see your name above a comment I know it will be a good one 👍

                  • yunqihao [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    41·
                    3 days ago

                    That’s fair. As I said elsewhere I suppose I was thinking of cringe more like a tool similar to the state. One that at current through much of the world is wielded by reactionary forces to further their aims however that once seized would remain a useful tool simply working for different ends. That in a socialist society it isn’t and shouldn’t be acceptable to act as liberals do now and the enforcement of social standards generally manifests through cringe and marginalisation.

                • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  6·
                  3 days ago

                  You could take the position those actions are cringe from the perspective of a socialist sure, but I don’t know if it’s useful to address the phenomena I’m criticising which is that “cringe” is almost exclusively targeted at queer and socially odd or neurodiverse people.

                  I would use a different word entirely to describe those reactionary behaviours purely because I want to reduce the targeting of these groups the “cringe” is almost always used to attack.

                  I 100% get where you’re coming from though and you’re not wrong, my point is mainly about strategy.

                  • yunqihao [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    4·
                    3 days ago

                    That’s completely fair. I suppose my thoughts when approaching it was to look at it the same way I do the state for example, in that at current through most of the world it’s an oppressive and reactionary force. However it remains a useful tool when seized from the hands of the current liberal hegemonic order that rules over not only the bodies but the minds of much of the people of the world.

      • ShareThatBread [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        18·
        3 days ago

        Why are you assuming that’s the first thing they thought of rather than an observation that someone hasn’t made yet?

        Those people over there are not comrades. They may be one day, but that’s their journey and it hasn’t come to fruition in the slightest yet.