Don’t got why people have all kind of reactions to this when it’s literally the most basic knowledge of Christianity, that Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man and that he had to die “so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but have eternal life” because he was literally the only person born without the original sin and didn’t sin at all, at the same time he always existed as part of Trinity (the verb/the son) and then “the verb became flesh”
How mfs live their lives in countries of christian majority and are surprised by this?
Honestly if Christianity is not part of your life, why would you know that? I grew up a Christian but “the verb” is very doctrinally specific wording that I’ve never heard before. I think you’re really overestimating the influence that someone else’s religion would have on you
Honestly if Christianity is not part of your life, why would you know that?
Agreed. What i find annoying is people seeding hatred about christianity like it’s their full-time job, but then not taking the time to read how any of the religion works. They’re the ones who should know how the cited “begotten, not made” factoid works.
That’s obviously wrong. I don’t need to read Mein Kampf to know that nazism is a bad idea. Sure, it helps, but it’s not necessary.
Similarly, I don’t need to read the entire corpus of christian theology to understand that the bible is mostly fiction and that christofascists are wrong and awful people (don’t get me wrong, those are two separate facts - I don’t think all christians are awful).
I don’t need to read Mein Kampf to know that nazism is a bad idea. Sure, it helps, but it’s not necessary.
You need to know the concept of what it gets across, which you presume to with both mein kampf and the Bible because they’re very well known books behind very well known ideologies/religions.
Without reading it for yourself, all your criticisms of it are based on an idea of what the text says - this is even true for “mein kampf”, no matter how un-nuanced a text it might actually be. Maybe there is something surprising in there that you can actually analyse, an interesting thought experiment. Can’t fully interrogate ideas without actually reading them.
Also, I don’t think what you’ve said addresses what my comment was.
No, Mary was the only one born without sin, the immaculate conception. Jesus was from the virgin birth, but I think it was just assumed he was without sin. The more you think about any of this the less sense it makes.
What’s so hard to understand and what causes surprise is that, how the fuck does someone existed all the eternity, but got incarnated, and isn’t the same as God, but is 100% God, and had to basically commit suicide because he wanted to save humanity, it’s everything so contradictory that I truly don’t know how someone can believe in that not ironically
I’m not trying to convirt anyone bcs i’m not even christian, i’m just saying it’s the very premise of christianity, like how an eternal fight between good and evil is the premise of gnosticism, the same way the Samsara is a premise to buddhism, and it is to be expected people from christian majoritiy countries would know the basics of their hegemonic religion.
Don’t get why people have all kind of reactions to this when it’s literally the most basic knowledge of Christianity, that Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man
The reactions are because people are learning that the council’s conclusions were controversial. Before the council it was not a dominant view. A large portion of early church fathers (and mothers) would be considered heretics by Nicene Christians.
Most Christian countries are not really Christian and filled with people who are Agnostic, Atheist, or just “spiritual” (Which basically means nothing/agnostic)
I even meet “Christians” that know literally nothing about the Bible; I found out recently that my grandmother who is always talking about God, is literally illiterate and knows maybe the story of the Virgin Mary and that’s it.
Also, the 100% God and 100% Man thing is a debate that has churches quarreling to this day.
From a logical point of view it’s nonsensical and from a faith point of view it’s up to interpretation depending on what the stance of your denomination is–which in my experience, most people dont even know to which they belong.
Don’t got why people have all kind of reactions to this when it’s literally the most basic knowledge of Christianity, that Jesus is 100% God and 100% Man and that he had to die “so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but have eternal life” because he was literally the only person born without the original sin and didn’t sin at all, at the same time he always existed as part of Trinity (the verb/the son) and then “the verb became flesh” How mfs live their lives in countries of christian majority and are surprised by this?
Going back to the what the OP postulates: what was the ‘original sin’ of Adam upon his creation?
Honestly if Christianity is not part of your life, why would you know that? I grew up a Christian but “the verb” is very doctrinally specific wording that I’ve never heard before. I think you’re really overestimating the influence that someone else’s religion would have on you
Agreed. What i find annoying is people seeding hatred about christianity like it’s their full-time job, but then not taking the time to read how any of the religion works. They’re the ones who should know how the cited “begotten, not made” factoid works.
That’s obviously wrong. I don’t need to read Mein Kampf to know that nazism is a bad idea. Sure, it helps, but it’s not necessary.
Similarly, I don’t need to read the entire corpus of christian theology to understand that the bible is mostly fiction and that christofascists are wrong and awful people (don’t get me wrong, those are two separate facts - I don’t think all christians are awful).
You need to know the concept of what it gets across, which you presume to with both mein kampf and the Bible because they’re very well known books behind very well known ideologies/religions.
Without reading it for yourself, all your criticisms of it are based on an idea of what the text says - this is even true for “mein kampf”, no matter how un-nuanced a text it might actually be. Maybe there is something surprising in there that you can actually analyse, an interesting thought experiment. Can’t fully interrogate ideas without actually reading them.
Also, I don’t think what you’ve said addresses what my comment was.
That makes about as much sense as Trump saying that prices were down by 500%.
No, Mary was the only one born without sin, the immaculate conception. Jesus was from the virgin birth, but I think it was just assumed he was without sin. The more you think about any of this the less sense it makes.
I think we both put it in a bad way, i for not mentioning Mary and you for excluding Jesus from being born without sin
This belongs in the DSM.
What’s so hard to understand and what causes surprise is that, how the fuck does someone existed all the eternity, but got incarnated, and isn’t the same as God, but is 100% God, and had to basically commit suicide because he wanted to save humanity, it’s everything so contradictory that I truly don’t know how someone can believe in that not ironically
I’m not trying to convirt anyone bcs i’m not even christian, i’m just saying it’s the very premise of christianity, like how an eternal fight between good and evil is the premise of gnosticism, the same way the Samsara is a premise to buddhism, and it is to be expected people from christian majoritiy countries would know the basics of their hegemonic religion.
Yeah, I understood that, I was just pointing out what’s so hard for us to understand
The reactions are because people are learning that the council’s conclusions were controversial. Before the council it was not a dominant view. A large portion of early church fathers (and mothers) would be considered heretics by Nicene Christians.
Most Christian countries are not really Christian and filled with people who are Agnostic, Atheist, or just “spiritual” (Which basically means nothing/agnostic)
I even meet “Christians” that know literally nothing about the Bible; I found out recently that my grandmother who is always talking about God, is literally illiterate and knows maybe the story of the Virgin Mary and that’s it.
Also, the 100% God and 100% Man thing is a debate that has churches quarreling to this day.
From a logical point of view it’s nonsensical and from a faith point of view it’s up to interpretation depending on what the stance of your denomination is–which in my experience, most people dont even know to which they belong.
The world’s various Orthodox churches would like a word with you…
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Chuck Norris was the only being to ever exist that could be 200% of anything.
Yeah, 200% fuckin chode
Chuck Norris isn’t even 100% talented, bitch couldn’t be 200% of anything other than cringe
woosh
Also, Chuck Norris passed away earlier this year (and has now taken over for Death as ruler in the afterlife, I suppose).
The only woosh here is you thinking you’re doing anything other than cringeposting a lame meme that wasn’t funny 20 years ago.
Rot in piss chuck, you’re finally as dead as your lame ass meme. At least now Bruce Lee can finally kick your ass again.
who hurt you?