• wrinkle2409@lemmy.cafe
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    8 hours ago

    You’re directing your hate the wrong way, the problem is how generative AI is employed by the greedy, not the technology itself.

    • The Anti-AI Leader@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      4 hours ago

      Well yeah. But also the fact that AI is run by (and therefore tuned to the greed and desires of) big tech CEOs is also part of the problem. I agree with you, but it’s a more complex problem than simply saying ‘people in charge are to blame for this mess’

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        Depends on what you want to accomplish. How do you employ a hammer non-greedly? You can use AI for meteorological forecasts, predicting diseases, data compression, the uses are endless. For the case of generative AI, it helps writing code, generate synthetic data, create quick proofs of concept etc.

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          7 hours ago

          Obviously it’s for gen ai. Why do ai boosters always conflate this!! You started this thread about “generative ai”, and then when questioned gave a bunch of non-llm use cases, followed by a quick edit and ‘oh yeah it can produce text’.

          Every ai pusher does this. You ask why chatbots are useful and they basically accuse you of being anti-science, as if they believe talking to a chatbot should also be included as ‘doing science’. You are a consumer, not a researcher.

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            7 hours ago

            I am doing a PhD in computational neuroscience. We use LLMs a lot. Helps write code that I don’t want to bother write and find some bugs due to human error. You sure make a lot of assumptions about strangers online.

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              7 hours ago

              Yeah, sure, it can produce text. That’s not my issue with your previous comment. The issue is you bring up “generative ai” and then list a bunch of machine learning applications that have nothing to do with chatbots.

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                7 hours ago

                Machine learning is part of AI. I replied with multiple examples because the post and the reply asked about how to use AI non greedily and not generative AI specifically. Generative AI isn’t just chatbots.

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                  So you just completely ignore all context? The fact that you’re talking about generative ai doesn’t give you any fucking context clues? Who is arguing against machine learning?? Nobody! Who is fighting to get rid of disease modeling? Nobody!! These are fake arguments that only exist to distract from the very very limited potential of chatbots, and yes, generative ai is just chatbots.

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              7 hours ago

              I thought you were going to say something smart about use of machine learning algorithms, but you went with using LLMs to code for you instead.

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                6 hours ago

                That is one of the main applications of LLMs, so what? If you want more specific applications tied to my field you can look at behavioral modeling.

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        8 hours ago

        Greed is when CEOs force it’s use to justify laying off 30% of the staff.

        Non-greed is everywhere and self hosting open source models exists. You can use it as any other technology / tool for yourself (personal assistant, coding assistant) Think of how much faster medical research can be done with it. Language barrier use cases as well. 2 individuals that don’t share a common language can have a conversation thanks to NLP.

        It’s just a technology that calculates patterns.

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      Wrong. Slop generating and cognitive offloading is bad and even the most mundane use of local AI contributes to ecological collapse for nothing in return.

      • I optimize industrial robots using AI tools to analyze data, which allowed us to work far faster and improve machines we otherwise couldn’t. Each optimized robot usually saves hundreds of watts 24/7 for 10-20 years to come. The optimized programs also reduce wear, sometimes extending predicted service life by multiple years. But yeah, I’m sure that contributes to ecological collapse

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        6 hours ago

        I don’t see how offloading a task that is trivial and that I won’t have much to learn out of it is “bad”, in that case you shouldn’t use calculators. Of course, that is different than completely letting an LLM think for you.

        As for the ecological collapse, that is inherently a problem with capitalism and big tech, AI models don’t decide the hardware or what power source they can be trained on.

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          6 hours ago

          The fucking irony. I don’t respect you and you will get nothing in return for your subservience, just so you know.

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            6 hours ago

            Subservience to what? Having basic common sense and not being drowned by hate is not subservience.