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GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldM to Late Stage Capitalism@lemmy.worldEnglish · 4 days ago

Propaganda machine go brrrrr

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GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldM to Late Stage Capitalism@lemmy.worldEnglish · 4 days ago
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    He also aided the Nazis in their fight against German communists and hurt China’s revolution.

    Gonna need some sources on both of these.

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      https://jacobin.com/2021/08/hitler-stalin-pact-nazis-communist-deportation-soviet

      https://www.marxists.org/archive/james-clr/works/world/ch09.htm

      https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1931/xx/stalchin1.htm

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        None of this is evidence, it’s just other people making the same dumbass claims

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          Given Trotsky is a primary source and the Jacobin article cites a primary source what would constitute as evidence to you?

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            Actual fucking evidence, duh. Trotsky telling a story is worth as much as you telling a story, fuck all.

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              The Central Committee of the Russian Communist Party is confident that the Kuomintang will hold high the banner of Sun Yat-sen in the great struggle for liberation from imperialism, that the Kuomintang will succeed with honour in carrying this banner to complete victory over imperialism and its agents in China.

              https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1925/03/14.htm

              It is said that the Chinese Communists should withdraw from the Kuomintang. That would be wrong, comrades. The withdrawal of the Chinese Communists from the Kuomintang at the present time would be a profound mistake

              https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1926/11/26.htm

              Does this mean anything to you? As you know the KMT slaughter of communists came shortly after he urged them to stay.

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                What I’m seeing here is that the USSR as a whole decided to make it their official position to advise against Chinese communists giving up on the effort to co-opt the Kuomintang as a movement/organization, and you’re saying that somehow equates to Joseph Stalin personally doing harm to the Chinese communist revolution. I can’t think of anything I could possibly say to discredit you that would do a better job than this, thank you.

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                  Stalin pushed the KMT, Trotsky pushed against it. As the two factions battled for control of the USSR I think your takeaway is disingenuous and shows not just a distain for Marxism but for dialectics as a whole.

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                    You have already lost irrecoverably, you can go

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