The Last Jedi sucks, but not for the reasons right-wing chuds complained about. The premise of the entire chase rests on a bunch of Macguffin’s (they can suddenly track ships through hyperspace, fuel is an issue for the first time ever, no one can escape except when they can), the Canto Bight sequence is pointless and contrived, the light-speed kamikaze blows a plot hole in basically every other movie, and Poe should have been executed for mutiny.
Structurally, I get what Johnson was doing; everyone complained that The Force Awakens was a beat for beat retelling of A New Hope, so he basically inverted the plot structure of The Empire Strikes Back. It’s a fun idea, but his desire to end on a Hoth sequence ruined what could have been a perfect ending. I was having problems with that movie, but after Snoke gets murdered, Rey and Ben have one of the best lightsaber fights in Star Wars history, and Ben asks her to join him, I was expecting the credits to roll, and I was ready to leave on one of the greatest cliffhangers in movie history. But then there’s another 30 minutes of movie, and while the Luke stuff is cool, it mostly just drags on.
It’s also clear that Johnson wasn’t just inverting plot structure, but Star Wars norms. Everything that is established is questioned and turned on it’s head. The problem is, by the end of the film, it’s all thrown out and the status quo is hastily reestablished with little justification. What’s the lesson from Canto Bight and DJ? “Rebellion? Empire? Two sides of the same coin for the weapons dealers. The real battle is between the haves and have-nots.” How does the movie end? “Get on the princess’ space ship, we’re not done fighting the Empire!” The entire Rey/Luke/Ben aspect of the film? “Light? Dark? Jedi? Sith? They’re just artificial constructs. Let them die. Burn the temple.” How does the movie end? “Don’t worry, Rey didn’t join the Dark Side and she’s got all the magic Jedi books!”
Anyway, there’s also a lot of stuff I like (the Rey/Luke scenes are excellent), and it’s bad in an interesting way, which makes it better than the rest of the trilogy by default. I guess this is more of a small essay than a hot take, but TL;DR: chuds think The Last Jedi sucks because of wokeness, but it actually suckes for lot of structural, thematic, and plot weaknesses.
The fuck are you talking about? I’m not complaining about Rey being too powerful or Luke being too grumpy, I’m not bitching about Rose existing, and I’m actually defending Hodo instead of throwing a fit that a woman in a dress was in a position of authority. I’ve also got 2 paragraphs about structural issues and thematic failures that I’ve never heard anyone mention. Maybe some right-winger brought up one of the same plot holes, but anyone with half a brain would ask why they didn’t pull that light-speed maneuver against the Death Star.
Maybe I’ve never seen the “right-wing” criticism of The Last Jedi… But all the criticism I have seen is basically the same as yours (plus “wtf gravity dropping bombs out of a hole in the bottom of a space ship”).
I heard a bunch of right wing criticism of The Force Awakens, and it was mainly “A WOMAN AND A BLACK MAN? HOW CAN I EVEN CONCENTRATE ON THE FILM WHEN THEY’RE INSULTING ME WITH A BLACK MAN AND A WOMAN, IT’S SO FALSE AND FAKE.”
I remember seeing those for the force awakens, but I don’t recall hearing it about the second one. Not saying it didn’t happen, just wasn’t the primary criticisms I was seeing.
The Last Jedi sucks, but not for the reasons right-wing chuds complained about. The premise of the entire chase rests on a bunch of Macguffin’s (they can suddenly track ships through hyperspace, fuel is an issue for the first time ever, no one can escape except when they can), the Canto Bight sequence is pointless and contrived, the light-speed kamikaze blows a plot hole in basically every other movie, and Poe should have been executed for mutiny.
Structurally, I get what Johnson was doing; everyone complained that The Force Awakens was a beat for beat retelling of A New Hope, so he basically inverted the plot structure of The Empire Strikes Back. It’s a fun idea, but his desire to end on a Hoth sequence ruined what could have been a perfect ending. I was having problems with that movie, but after Snoke gets murdered, Rey and Ben have one of the best lightsaber fights in Star Wars history, and Ben asks her to join him, I was expecting the credits to roll, and I was ready to leave on one of the greatest cliffhangers in movie history. But then there’s another 30 minutes of movie, and while the Luke stuff is cool, it mostly just drags on.
It’s also clear that Johnson wasn’t just inverting plot structure, but Star Wars norms. Everything that is established is questioned and turned on it’s head. The problem is, by the end of the film, it’s all thrown out and the status quo is hastily reestablished with little justification. What’s the lesson from Canto Bight and DJ? “Rebellion? Empire? Two sides of the same coin for the weapons dealers. The real battle is between the haves and have-nots.” How does the movie end? “Get on the princess’ space ship, we’re not done fighting the Empire!” The entire Rey/Luke/Ben aspect of the film? “Light? Dark? Jedi? Sith? They’re just artificial constructs. Let them die. Burn the temple.” How does the movie end? “Don’t worry, Rey didn’t join the Dark Side and she’s got all the magic Jedi books!”
Anyway, there’s also a lot of stuff I like (the Rey/Luke scenes are excellent), and it’s bad in an interesting way, which makes it better than the rest of the trilogy by default. I guess this is more of a small essay than a hot take, but TL;DR: chuds think The Last Jedi sucks because of wokeness, but it actually suckes for lot of structural, thematic, and plot weaknesses.
Funny how you handwave other criticisms as right wing chuds, then continue to use the same arguments they made…
Look, it was just a terrible movie, let’s leave it at that
The fuck are you talking about? I’m not complaining about Rey being too powerful or Luke being too grumpy, I’m not bitching about Rose existing, and I’m actually defending Hodo instead of throwing a fit that a woman in a dress was in a position of authority. I’ve also got 2 paragraphs about structural issues and thematic failures that I’ve never heard anyone mention. Maybe some right-winger brought up one of the same plot holes, but anyone with half a brain would ask why they didn’t pull that light-speed maneuver against the Death Star.
Maybe I’ve never seen the “right-wing” criticism of The Last Jedi… But all the criticism I have seen is basically the same as yours (plus “wtf gravity dropping bombs out of a hole in the bottom of a space ship”).
I heard a bunch of right wing criticism of The Force Awakens, and it was mainly “A WOMAN AND A BLACK MAN? HOW CAN I EVEN CONCENTRATE ON THE FILM WHEN THEY’RE INSULTING ME WITH A BLACK MAN AND A WOMAN, IT’S SO FALSE AND FAKE.”
So yeah, pretty racist and misogynist.
I remember seeing those for the force awakens, but I don’t recall hearing it about the second one. Not saying it didn’t happen, just wasn’t the primary criticisms I was seeing.