• Owl [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Have you seen the new show? It’s on Tubu. It’s literally on Heebee. It’s on Poodee with ads. It’s literally on Dippy. You can probably find it on Weeno. Dude it’s on Gumpy. It’s a Pheebo original. It’s on bilibili. You can watch it on bilibili. You can go to bilibili and watch it. Log onto bilibili right now. Go to bilibili. Dive into bilibili. You can bilibili it. It’s on bilibili. bilibili has it for you. bilibili has it for you.

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      The majority of chinese apps require identity verification (either with a passport or just a chinese phone number). Partly to keep out foreigners, but more to make it so people don’t use anonymity online to do crimes and threaten people. Your online identity is tied to your real life identity for authorities, even if not always for other users.

      Whether or not you agree with that, it’s just…standard practice already in China.

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          I disagree, it is a necessary step for any kind of larger functional society with internet. Internet anonymity is literally how we get shit like QAnon, which literally runs our government now.

          That doesn’t mean the U.S. wouldn’t use such powers entirely for evil, so it’s a toss-up here in the West, but I doubt that a larger functional society can work with internet anonymity being the norm.

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              I am on hexbear because r/Chapo got killed and the spinoff discord sucked.

              For one, if you are actively involved in any kind of organizing, or have ever done any level of public posting, you should assume you are already on a watchlist to some degree. I assume I am already on one for being active in r/Chapo all those years ago, plus previous protests. For two, unless you are in the UK and have active verbal support for Palestine, pretty much everything said here is defensibly legal. And for three, nobody here actually threatens the stability of any government, it is unlikely we are targeted for death. They are going to spend their time going after much bigger fish.

              There is no such thing as real internet anonymity, it is just a matter of how hard someone wants to dig. I assume that everything I say online can and could be found and linked to me. Governments already have those resources and knowledge at their disposal, regular ass people do not, and it is regular ass people who would be the primary beneficiary of this process, because they are the ones who are most often targeted in scams and manipulation.

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    Better than YT (of course), but they’re still a commercial corporation and bound to enshittify. PeerTube FTW.

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      Do we have any examples of Chinese tech enshittification yet? If there are no examples I’m not willing to agree with “bound to enshittify”. Chinese companies are not the same as western companies when every single one of them above a certain size has a CPC branch within it, this by itself makes them all organisationally different and we can’t say for certain they’ll follow the same outcomes.

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          It’s a company rather than a specific tech product? It’s like saying “does microsoft count?” isn’t it? Which specific Tencent product are we talking about?

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            If I said Microsoft did enshification, it would be pretty self evident cause that’s their entire business model lmao

            Tencent owns fintechs and publishes live service games, I feel like we have plenty to pick from. The reason why it wouldn’t count is that they’re mostly a holding company and some of those companies it owns aren’t Chinese

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        It’s not exactly a secret that China’s Social Sciences are lagging behind their Engineering projects. There’s a lot of attempts to manipulate users to buy more, you download AliExpress and they let you play minigames to earn sales coupons for such a small discount, which is not really a discount it’s just a useless time waster to obviously get you addicted to the app. The people who made these design choices obviously know what they’re doing and I hope they suffer consequences for what they’ve done.

        Don’t get me wrong, this is not like exclusively super bad stuff or like significantly worse than what Western Capital does, but it’s still harmful practices.

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        Ok, that’s fair, enshittification is perhaps the wrong term here because it describes a process inherent to capitalism specifically. However, Chinese tech companies have been doing some bad stuff more generally. Perhaps not as bad as western counterparts, but still. Just from ones I personally encountered: TikTok is extremely addictive, wechat is a privacy nightmare, DJI is very anti-consumer requiring activation via an Android app and account for its cameras. Xiaomi is its own can of worms: HyperOS has ads baked-in to it, and as far as I could tell requires a Xiaomi account to change the ringtone on your own phone (WTF?); the robot vacuums require an account and a cloud connection to work; etc.

        Hell, even bilibili is already full of ads if you visit it without an adblocker.

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          Don’t forget that Xiaomi makes it hell to unlock the bootloader: you have to make an account to request unlocking it and then wait some unspecified amount of time, and you can only do this once per year

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            Oh yeah I forgot about that part.

            When I bought my last phone, I unlocked the bootloader, was on my way to flash a new ROM when during checking all the functionality was working (as one should) I realized the camera was fucked. So I had to get it replaced (unfortunately no warranty repair option in the store where I bought it), and then couldn’t unlock the bootloader for like half a year :/

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              Yikes, fortunately I never had stubborn phones like that. My last phone was a Sony that I vaguely miss for its gigantic screen (and the fact that it was free for me 😸), and thankfully it was easy to unlock

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            Yep, comes with a fair bit of bloatware installed. That said, my Xiaomi only cost me about 150 quid and it’s lasted about 5 years so far.

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          I think enshittification applies mainly to tech products that are usually free services that make their money from data or ads rather than just a shopping market? Not saying it hasn’t gotten worse but seems like a different thing?

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        Have you tried buying anything from temu in the past couple years? It was terrible. Now it’s terrible, but written in all caps.

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          Sure but that’s just a storefront, not a tech product provided to people for free while being monetised with ads/data.

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        If you count being forced to be sold to a western country to operate in that country like happened with tiktok as enshittification so you have this one.(I actually don’t even know if they got worse since I never used)

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          Definitely counts as enshittification, tiktok is considerably worse now. But it’s notable that it’s the sale of the company OUT of China that results in it. Would be quite interesting to see if this happens with anything that’s sold in future internally in China. I’m not even sure if such a sale would be accepted or go through, what barriers would happen internally with the structure etc.