Yeah, Google Translate also translates carpet as “ковер” instead of the proper spelling (ковёр), and it actually does translate “carpet mold” as “ковер плесень” (instead of a more proper translation like “ковровая плесень” or “плесень в ковре”).
Eh, both are proper spelling, I don’t think any Russian manual said it’s mandatory. The ë is used mainly in dictionaries, Russian schoolbooks, etc. where ambiguity should be minimal.
It’s also used by people who respect the language and don’t want to see it gradually turn into a shitshow like English where it’s spelled ‘Manchester’, pronounced ‘Liverpool’.
Russian won’t turn into a shitshow because of people not using ë, that’s catastrophism. No language has turned into a shitshow, for that matter, English functions well too.
I wonder how a person with such a great love to his rodnoй яzõk , can have no interest in it at all (or how any languages work in modern standards) , meanwhile commenting stupid shit like this.
For better or worse, I’ve been reading almost exclusively in English for years, but also listening to English audiobooks wherein I learned a lot of new things about words that I’ve seen before. That’s precisely why I’ve become more entrenched in my belief that ‘ё’ shouldn’t be optional. And use it myself always.
If you had read books in Russian, you’d notice that basically no Russian writer after Karamzin (who IIRC proposed the ë letter himself) “respected” the Russian language enough to use the letter. It’s legitimate for you to use it (all the better for me as a foreign speaker), but it’s not something to act elitist about.
Whether Russian will go in the direction of English depends on how its pronunciation develops, for now it’s still pretty close to the spelling, although there are words and forms such as “моего, сегодня” that are pronounced as “моево, севодня”. I wonder how many people would support changing this spelling.
In no way am I elitist about it. I’m just opposed to the language moving away from being phonemic, and am rather alarmist about that prospect, even though I know full well that the pronunciation will drift away while the spelling stays conservative.
‘его’ is at least a typical consistent rule, mapping to the pronunciation ‘ево’ in the same places in various words, just like ‘eau’ in French. But the replacement of ‘ё’ with ‘е’ is just egregious violation of a letter that has its own sound, without any reason for that.
I would agree with you. There’s a regional difference I was born in Lvov Ukraine so I speak a more Ukrainian Russian. But I would venture to say that палас would be a more accurate word over all.
So just running a double check due to my historical map game infected brain, is Lvov the same as the historical Liviv? I know that different regions have different names depending on language, culture, and region or is this just a case of two places having really similar/ the same name for reasons, IE Ontario Canada vs Ontario California.
ковер плесень means “carpet mold”
Weird name for a space movie.
It’s probably google translated to Russian, since it’s just two nouns slapped together.
Yeah, Google Translate also translates carpet as “ковер” instead of the proper spelling (ковёр), and it actually does translate “carpet mold” as “ковер плесень” (instead of a more proper translation like “ковровая плесень” or “плесень в ковре”).
I’d say it’s 99% google translate
Eh, both are proper spelling, I don’t think any Russian manual said it’s mandatory. The ë is used mainly in dictionaries, Russian schoolbooks, etc. where ambiguity should be minimal.
It’s also used by people who respect the language and don’t want to see it gradually turn into a shitshow like English where it’s spelled ‘Manchester’, pronounced ‘Liverpool’.
That’s how zero-understanding of linguistics looks like .
It’s not like what he said isn’t true or actually correct. That’s actually comprehending how languages work.
Russian won’t turn into a shitshow because of people not using ë, that’s catastrophism. No language has turned into a shitshow, for that matter, English functions well too.
“I haven’t seen thing happen during my lifetime, therefore thing doesn’t happen.”
Sure, Ḿäřṭṯı, sure.
I wonder how a person with such a great love to his rodnoй яzõk , can have no interest in it at all (or how any languages work in modern standards) , meanwhile commenting stupid shit like this.
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Well, it doesn’t matter what I write, does it? Why would I care then how it works?
When was the last time you read a book which used ë regularly (as in, not just in cases as distinguishing все-всё)?
For better or worse, I’ve been reading almost exclusively in English for years, but also listening to English audiobooks wherein I learned a lot of new things about words that I’ve seen before. That’s precisely why I’ve become more entrenched in my belief that ‘ё’ shouldn’t be optional. And use it myself always.
If you had read books in Russian, you’d notice that basically no Russian writer after Karamzin (who IIRC proposed the ë letter himself) “respected” the Russian language enough to use the letter. It’s legitimate for you to use it (all the better for me as a foreign speaker), but it’s not something to act elitist about.
Whether Russian will go in the direction of English depends on how its pronunciation develops, for now it’s still pretty close to the spelling, although there are words and forms such as “моего, сегодня” that are pronounced as “моево, севодня”. I wonder how many people would support changing this spelling.
In no way am I elitist about it. I’m just opposed to the language moving away from being phonemic, and am rather alarmist about that prospect, even though I know full well that the pronunciation will drift away while the spelling stays conservative.
‘его’ is at least a typical consistent rule, mapping to the pronunciation ‘ево’ in the same places in various words, just like ‘eau’ in French. But the replacement of ‘ё’ with ‘е’ is just egregious violation of a letter that has its own sound, without any reason for that.
Fair enough. I tend to use it because it just reduces scanning ambiguity when reading text quickly.
Well rug… Not carpet. And it’s literally saying the carpet is the mold. So it would better translate to rug-mold.
“Ковёр” is closer to “carpet” I’d argue. I’d translate “rug” as “коврик”
I would agree with you. There’s a regional difference I was born in Lvov Ukraine so I speak a more Ukrainian Russian. But I would venture to say that палас would be a more accurate word over all.
So just running a double check due to my historical map game infected brain, is Lvov the same as the historical Liviv? I know that different regions have different names depending on language, culture, and region or is this just a case of two places having really similar/ the same name for reasons, IE Ontario Canada vs Ontario California.
Same city, Lvov is the Russian and Lviv is the Ukrainian name. Ukrainian has historically shifted many 'o’s to ‘i’.
Yes. It is now called Lviv. At the time is was called Lvov because I was born during the Soviet era.
The carpet is the mold, what a brilliant idea!
Ah just like me babushka used to make
Lmaoooo
Cover plesn