I find it revolting how we are supposed to validate the 1967 pre-conquests because? Idk time. The original residents are not dead, there millions of palestine still under israhelli oppression even in UN-recognized borders of the entity.
Agitprop is a material condition. Even bad agitprop can make the gears of class copiousness start clicking over. Hell for me it was the liberal Ukraine propoganda openly embracing fascism that really made things click.
The way I understand it, the pipeline concept means something like: if one figure says mild stuff that is more palatable to class-unconscious people but doesn’t speak against people who are more openly communist, or at least is willing to hear them out, that means the listener might go “well this person saying the mild stuff is interesting, but I kinda like what that other person has to say too.” And then start listening to the second person more. And this may gradually move them further left.
This becomes capture rather than pipeline though if the first person is actively speaking against, and trying to undermine, the second person. I honestly don’t know which one Hasan fits more. I’ve heard things in the past that make me think he’s more pipeline than capture by the above definition, but either way, this doesn’t mean we’re supposed to be satisfied with what he’s saying, as communists. We still have to move people further left than what he’s doing.
Counterpoint if he was either he would not make “tankies” look “delusional” and portray anything besides voooting for DSA as hopeless.
Thats not helping people move further left, thats recruiting for his cause. Similar to how “anti-DEI” nazis criticizing the democrats or even capitalism magically doesn’t create a bunch of new leftists.
The Pipeline is looking pretty busted right now.
I find it revolting how we are supposed to validate the 1967 pre-conquests because? Idk time. The original residents are not dead, there millions of palestine still under israhelli oppression even in UN-recognized borders of the entity.
the “pipeline” is a meme. the only comrades worth anything were brought to the left by material conditions not random millionaire streamers
Agitprop is a material condition. Even bad agitprop can make the gears of class copiousness start clicking over. Hell for me it was the liberal Ukraine propoganda openly embracing fascism that really made things click.
The way I understand it, the pipeline concept means something like: if one figure says mild stuff that is more palatable to class-unconscious people but doesn’t speak against people who are more openly communist, or at least is willing to hear them out, that means the listener might go “well this person saying the mild stuff is interesting, but I kinda like what that other person has to say too.” And then start listening to the second person more. And this may gradually move them further left.
This becomes capture rather than pipeline though if the first person is actively speaking against, and trying to undermine, the second person. I honestly don’t know which one Hasan fits more. I’ve heard things in the past that make me think he’s more pipeline than capture by the above definition, but either way, this doesn’t mean we’re supposed to be satisfied with what he’s saying, as communists. We still have to move people further left than what he’s doing.
Counterpoint if he was either he would not make “tankies” look “delusional” and portray anything besides voooting for DSA as hopeless.
Thats not helping people move further left, thats recruiting for his cause. Similar to how “anti-DEI” nazis criticizing the democrats or even capitalism magically doesn’t create a bunch of new leftists.