This was already argued extensively. Basically what happens is the standard infantry gear every Russian soldier is fitted with sucks. No armor plating (or if there is, it’s fake), shitty weaponry, shitty helmets if at all. Hardly any cooking gear or anything at all really.
Now, second to understand is that the Russian army is basically a racket from top to bottom. If you start at the bottom, sucks man. You get extorted and people beat the shit out of you regularly.
So why Wildberries? When you’re conscripted into the army (and yes, conscription does actually occur quite regularly now in Russia) you’re going to need… stuff. To survive. Helmets, armor plating, a drinking tin, anything at all to survive basically. For yourself? Perhaps. If you’re Lucky. Most likely though your commander will beat you into buying it for him and he’ll pawn it off to someone else.
This has created a massive market for military gear to be sold by webshops like Wildberries where they sell armor plating, vests, jackets, boots, helmets, camping gear, med kits, you name it. It has essentially become a grey market.
That’s why Ukraine is claiming these are legitimate targets. They are, after all, supplying the Russian army in a way. Whether you agree with that stance is up to you, but that’s what their argument boils down to basically.
Edit; and to add: if Russia does not want Wildberries to be a legitimate target, it is also incumbent on them to make it not a legitimate target by restricting the sales of military gear for example. It is up to Russia to keep military and civilian strictly separate but as we know from Russian actions like using schools, hospitals and even a nuclear power plant as storage and/or staging areas for future assaults,
they don’t give a flying fuck about the distinction between civilian and military. Any claim from Russia that these are ‘not legitimate targets’ will inevitably be met with every single fucking civilian target that Russia has hit since the start of this war, from apartment buildings to train stations to a guy on a market with a fucking vegetable stand being hunted by a drone. So don’t come asking stupid questions and acting sanctimonious here and accusing Ukraine of these things while ignoring Russian actions.
Well “if Russia does it, so can we” really turns this into an even worse quagmire huh? I’m not in denial of the reality of war, but I won’t be supporting any side of the same atrocity. I have nothing but disdain for anyone who enlists.
Still that’s kinda weak argument. Those items are bought privately? So it’s not used as legit military command IT infrastructure like amazon aws or microsoft? I’m sure it will be different in the international courts, if they had any teeth. How could Ukraine ever justify “selling helmets and first aid kits to civilians” as a legitimate target…
They also sell things like drone components that have a much more direct military use. Besides, damaging Russia’s economy is a worthwhile goal by itself.
The contention isn’t that they’re selling things to civilians, but that they’re selling things to members of the Russian armed forces, which they’re then using as supplies in combat. They’re part of the military supply chain in an unofficial way. I’m not sure it’s 100% cut-and-dried, but it’s clear reasonable people could call that a military target, and I’m inclined to think they’re probably right.
That’s right. “Members of the armed forces” not the armed forces per se. Cops also buy stuff out of their own pocket right? I go to the same stores to buy stuff too. We’re all civilians there. What we do with the things we buy is not the store’s business.
I just don’t think the case has a leg to stand on, in court. Russia will just say they have nothing to do with it, if there’s no proof.
This was already argued extensively. Basically what happens is the standard infantry gear every Russian soldier is fitted with sucks. No armor plating (or if there is, it’s fake), shitty weaponry, shitty helmets if at all. Hardly any cooking gear or anything at all really.
Now, second to understand is that the Russian army is basically a racket from top to bottom. If you start at the bottom, sucks man. You get extorted and people beat the shit out of you regularly.
So why Wildberries? When you’re conscripted into the army (and yes, conscription does actually occur quite regularly now in Russia) you’re going to need… stuff. To survive. Helmets, armor plating, a drinking tin, anything at all to survive basically. For yourself? Perhaps. If you’re Lucky. Most likely though your commander will beat you into buying it for him and he’ll pawn it off to someone else.
This has created a massive market for military gear to be sold by webshops like Wildberries where they sell armor plating, vests, jackets, boots, helmets, camping gear, med kits, you name it. It has essentially become a grey market.
That’s why Ukraine is claiming these are legitimate targets. They are, after all, supplying the Russian army in a way. Whether you agree with that stance is up to you, but that’s what their argument boils down to basically.
Edit; and to add: if Russia does not want Wildberries to be a legitimate target, it is also incumbent on them to make it not a legitimate target by restricting the sales of military gear for example. It is up to Russia to keep military and civilian strictly separate but as we know from Russian actions like using schools, hospitals and even a nuclear power plant as storage and/or staging areas for future assaults,
they don’t give a flying fuck about the distinction between civilian and military. Any claim from Russia that these are ‘not legitimate targets’ will inevitably be met with every single fucking civilian target that Russia has hit since the start of this war, from apartment buildings to train stations to a guy on a market with a fucking vegetable stand being hunted by a drone. So don’t come asking stupid questions and acting sanctimonious here and accusing Ukraine of these things while ignoring Russian actions.
Well “if Russia does it, so can we” really turns this into an even worse quagmire huh? I’m not in denial of the reality of war, but I won’t be supporting any side of the same atrocity. I have nothing but disdain for anyone who enlists.
Still that’s kinda weak argument. Those items are bought privately? So it’s not used as legit military command IT infrastructure like amazon aws or microsoft? I’m sure it will be different in the international courts, if they had any teeth. How could Ukraine ever justify “selling helmets and first aid kits to civilians” as a legitimate target…
They also sell things like drone components that have a much more direct military use. Besides, damaging Russia’s economy is a worthwhile goal by itself.
The contention isn’t that they’re selling things to civilians, but that they’re selling things to members of the Russian armed forces, which they’re then using as supplies in combat. They’re part of the military supply chain in an unofficial way. I’m not sure it’s 100% cut-and-dried, but it’s clear reasonable people could call that a military target, and I’m inclined to think they’re probably right.
That’s right. “Members of the armed forces” not the armed forces per se. Cops also buy stuff out of their own pocket right? I go to the same stores to buy stuff too. We’re all civilians there. What we do with the things we buy is not the store’s business. I just don’t think the case has a leg to stand on, in court. Russia will just say they have nothing to do with it, if there’s no proof.
Concern troll.
oh no, labeled by a shitposter. how can I ever recover
OK here’s another one: transparent Russian propagandist.
Seriously, nobody is falling for it.
LMAO
nobody that matters
You could start by reading the room and then not simping for Russia.
I respect shitposters a lot more than anyone could ever respect you lmfao