This will apply to 2027 flagship Motorola devices, starting with a regular non-folding device, according to GrapheneOS developers who hinted at it being the successor to the Signature.
Thank goodness it won’t just be one foldable. I was worried for a bit.
personally i think Moto G Power is gonna be a beast with GOS
Dual sim slots sd card headphone jack insane battery
AFAIK they’re only targeting their flagship models first. Guess we’ll see, but I don’t think the Moto G series will get it. At least not initially.
I’m still looking for a solution after https://keepandroidopen.org/
About 50% of my apps are from F-Droid (the others are specific local apps and especially bank apps, which is difficult …)
Will this affect graphene os?
if developers stop developing apps, that will affect GrapheneOS, yes
Oh yes, that makes sense.
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I’ll believe it when the roms hit xda.
Excited, sure, just hesitant. No buy until it’s truth.
Okay good, they clarified that they won’t ship with it. I’ve seen people saying they will but I never read anything from Graphene or Moto stating that.
Wouldn’t it be better if it DID? Wouldn’t that get around all the “tamper” detection stuff?
Right now I have Google Play disabled in my owner profile, but it would be nice if apps in secondary profiles could pass the full Play Integrity checks… even though I’m actively trying to transition away from them.
For example Cisco DUO says my device with GrapheneOS installed has been tampered with, and I was hoping that would go away if I could just buy the phone with GrapheneOS installed.
In the long term, yes it would be better if it shipped.
However, if someone went to a phone store with a stock graphene on display and anything else next to it, which one do you think they’ll choose?
Until Graphene’s stock experience (i.e stock apps and launcher) mature enough to not look out of place next to google and apple, the average Joe will pick the more polished phone. I hope improving that is a task Motorola will be able to help with, while graphene keeps doing their thing.
Additionally with the app/play store dualopoly, Motorola would be shooting them selves in the foot if they didn’t ship with the play store.
Getting an option beside a pixel for Grapheneos is pretty cool and a big step forward. I hope new demand will be high enough to show the decision makers that its an endeavor worth continuing.
It doesn’t even need to be in the store, just let me order one online and check off a “GrapheneOS” box, the same way that I can order a Framework laptop with either Windows or Linux.
But I get your point, I can see how someone could get confused when their phone arrived and required some extra tinkering to get Google stuff to work.
if someone went to a phone store with a stock graphene on display and anything else next to it, which one do you think they’ll choose?
People consider the phone features too. For example Huawei has built a really solid following due to their phones’ quality and that following didn’t go away when Google started sabotaging their phones. Eventually banking apps started releasing versions for Huawei AppGallery (the Huawei Android app store).
So the Google monopoly can be bent if there’s sufficient demand.
Until Graphene’s stock experience (i.e stock apps and launcher) mature enough to not look out of place next to google and apple
why, what’s the problem with it? that it’s not filled with promotional apps?
Additionally with the app/play store dualopoly, Motorola would be shooting them selves in the foot if they didn’t ship with the play store.
they could just ask in the setup flow whether to install the play store
Honestly I can’t tell the difference with the launcher compared to what shipped on the phone, not that I used that very much - but I upgraded from an LG G8 and the whole thing looks very familiar. The camera app feels very much like the one on my LG but I suspect someone who is more into photography than me would be frustrated by it. But the standout awful stock app has got to be the clock, the ui is clunky and feels awful to use, the tones are obnoxious, and it has all the visual flair of a C student project.
I’ve mostly just replaced it with the alarm on my smart watch.
However, if someone went to a phone store with a stock graphene on display and anything else next to it, which one do you think they’ll choose?
Given the past couple years I’d like to think the fraction to choose graphene would be multiple times what it would have been 5-10 years ago. But not close to a majority.
It wouldn’t go away. It will only go away if Google signs grapheneos images. Grapheneos on all supported devices support the required attestation already. It is just Google pettiness.
I believe the play services agreement
MotorolaLenovo signs to get the play store on their devices would forbid that.Yes sure. I was merely commenting on the misunderstanding surrounding this.
I love graphene, but I hope they’re planning to also roll out some very strong stock software - or else this will make for a very rough first impression on a large audience of normies and hurt graphene’s long run chance of success. The camera, gallery, and app store in particular will not come up to many users’ standards.
I guess aosp needs more open source love what with Google treating it like a bastard step child
My impression from the article is that the Motorola phones ship with default Android, but flashing to GrapheneOS is officially supported. So it would only be people who would be flashing GrapheneOS anyway.
Yeah by “switch to” they probably do mean flash. I could have sworn they had plans to ship Graphene phones but maybe that’s a later phase.
Would you trust a pre-flashed phone though?
I guess with GOS they have integrity checkers.
I could have sworn they had plans to ship Graphene phones
They do. They say it in their roadmap:
Hardware and firmware security are core parts of the project, but it’s currently limited to research and submitting suggestions and bug reports upstream. In the long term, the project will need to move into the hardware space.
There are some third party vendors online that ship pre-flashed GrapheneOS phones iirc, but I don’t believe there has ever been on with it factory installed.
I would never trust a pre flashed Graphene phone. Always flash yourself for security.
I agree, you should always flash it yourself. Though GrapheneOS does have the Auditor app to attest the integrity of the operating system against another GrapheneOS device. It’s always going to be best practice to do it yourself, however.
Motorola should be able to lead them into the right direction for this. Moto controls their own drivers and while i don’t know, i don’t expect they’re using stock android camera, they can probably just provide the camera app to graphene
There are some really talented people working on the camera systems for Apple and Google etc. what I don’t get is surely there are some equally talented engineers (in image processing) who love open source so why aren’t they working on an open source camera platform?
It seems an itch that’s not getting scratched.
idk if this is the case here but on a firmware level, interfacing with these camera chips almost always requires an NDA that they’ll only sign with very large minimum orders
This is also why open source wearables can’t have the best PPG heart rate/SPO2 tracking.
There are only about 4 PPG analog front ends still in production that don’t require an NDA and the Max86141 is the only one worth anything it seems.
You can’t do analog front ends with any small FPGAs that I know of and it is simply to large to do it (well, at least) on a small wearable with discrete components.
whistles
They make a $2,600 smartphone?
I’d bet that about half the price is just the RAM soldered onto the thing
It’s gonna be a premium for the folding feature or some other feature on that particular model — they list two other models that are considerably less expensive and have the same amount of RAM.
I think the foldables are all somewhere along those lines. New tech, and double the screen and such adds up.
They need to support it on the Moto G phones so people can actually afford them.
iirc, as of right now, its only the expensive processors that meet the security standards GrapheneOS has. Therefore only being available in the future high-end Motorola phones.
Yup its exactly this. And with supply shortages, itll take a while to filter down in price unfortunately.
it would take a while without shortages. with shortages, it will take a long while
Exactly. Graphene is not for the poors, still. Even used phones that can run it can be pricey.
What are the odds that it filters down?
I’ll pick up a cheap android and put Lineage on it before I buy another flagship phone.
Not for awhile as the cheaper chips don’t have the features required.
What are those features? I thought avoiding Google stack would be entirely software based. Send me a link if you don’t want to write it all down.
I got a deal on a new 9 from my carrier for $5 a month for 24 months.
$120 CAD.
But, in canada, the phones come carrier unlocked and had no issue flashing it. Though i only ever powered it on once before it was flashed - to turn on oem unlocking. The sim was not used until then. So it didn’t do any auto downloads that might have caused a problem.
Long short: you can find them cheap if you look.
What is your plan price though. I see lots of thee x a month for phone but they also have a really high base price.
I was looking at the lowest end pixel for Graphene (Pixel 7) and they are still nearly $400 on the aftermarket. It’s insane.
Damn, the market’s crazy. You could get a Pixel 7 brand new, unlocked, for less than $400 when it was still current, 3 years ago.
The only things Pixels have going for them are the aggressive sales and GrapheneOS.
I got a 7 Pro around 6 months ago for $280 CAD. Surely there are other less expensive sources you could find.
Where are you looking? I see Pixel 8s, used and unlocked, on ebay for $200-300.
Most of the Pixel 7s on Swappa are just under US$200 at this moment.
Anecdotally I bought a used pixel 9a last year for ~$350, could be regional or due to ongoing inflation though
I bought a new in box old stock Pixel 9a for $350 USD a couple months ago from eBay. This was just before that Cop City protestor gave a duress password to border patrol, I wonder if that caused a bit of a spike in demand for old Pixels?
I’m guessing inflation and the tech related bullshit. Everyone marking shit up.
Yeah, there are very few cases that would make me fork hundreds of Euros for a frigging phone.
Man, I would be all over the is of it was on lower end models so I can run graphene as my sketchy international travel phone. But I don’t really want to pay flagship prices for that. And I still believe in having a curated primary digital fingerprint.
And I still believe in having a curated primary digital fingerprint.
Could you please elaborate? I know what digital footprint is, minimizing and compartmentalization techniques, but not primary and curated digital footprint.
Functional and hypothetical only example usage of a curated digital footprint, for story purposes:
You keep, use, maintain, and preferably daily drive technology interfacing gizmos in a manner that results in a footprint where the conclusions drawn from it resolve to a “curated” set of… whatever the beholder is looking to ID from the footprint.
Functional example:
You keep and use devices in a manner that is at most “normie+”.
You own a Pixel Phone but keep stock android on it and add just enough to it not make you hate your life. You use a couple of normal sub services.
You still show some of your silly, like use an account on a porn website that federates with the world you care to socialize with. You still post how The Man better watch out.
Same as everyone else. The fingerprint looks like what you want it to look like.
So that it remains separate from what could happen/be happening elsewhere inside a Faraday cage with other devices there. How they are configured like, or who they talk to, the networks you utilize and the level of silly you display in your other accounts that have never so much as shared a trace route in passing together.
That’s hypothetically separate from the curated digital identity, depending on how careful and good at it your set up was.
So when the friendly folks with the mass surveillance pull up your file, it’s composed of what you wanted there to begin with.
It’s just another implementation layer of minimizing and compartmentalization, really.
Hypothetically. For a friend.
Having no footprint is as obvious as having a unique one. It’s easier to hide in the crowd.
On lower end you could go with lineageos, it’s not as good as graphere but it’s good enough IMO
Signature? So when - In January?
Probably
This is great and all, gives more device options for GOS. However, being only flagship, this will put GOS out of reach for alot of people due to the cost of flagship phones and the current economy. Especially if Google starts making future Pixels unable to have GOS flashed onto them.
Sign me up for a graphene razr ultra please and thank you. Dont have any issue with self install if it doesnt ship that way
Honestly? Kinda prefer it.
Hope an updated clicks keyboard comes out for it.
Would be the most interesting usable android phone since the LG V20 IMO
I wouldn’t mind it coming to an updated ThinkPhone.
How about 6 camera lenses, so it doesn’t wobble?
I was hoping that when Apple released thr iPhone 17 with a horizontal island it would end the wobble on a lot of phones, as others tend to copy Apple.
Unbelievably and fucking annoyingly, the iPhone 17 still has one of it’s fucking camera lens jut out enough to fucking wobble still. Which fucking engineer okayed this fucking shit.
I still want a google pixel for the visor, but last year I bought a S24 Ultra as it was cheaper and I don’t like the performance of the Pixle 9 overall. (I always buy the previous gen of current year, when I need to). Oh well, after my S24U breaks maybe when pixel 14 or 15 comes around I’ll get a pixel. Or some other phone with a visor camera island like it.
I’m waiting for the “whoops!! All Lenses!” Version
The onion needs to do for phone cameras what it did for Gilette razors:
https://theonion.com/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades-1819584036/
Inb4 Motorola CEO “falls” out a 30 story building window.
