I don’t get this, the only argument is the like Austrian school taxation is theft argument but in that case all the taxes that income tax haters like are also just as much theft.

You see a new article every week about why we need to get rid of income tax and replace it with some asinine “progressive consumption tax” that allows for poor people to write some stuff off but not other stuff its a mess.

every inane over complicated solution always runs into either not making enough, being to expensive to enforce and calculate or being regressive

even in Europe which comes the closest to this with the use of vats but income tax is still their main cash cow

this is a solution in search of a problem income tax works, economist agree when done right (as in you don’t raise income tax 50% in a day)it has the least distortion, it’s easy to collect and raises massive revenue

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      I don’t think it’s enforced by law. Only federal tax. Maybe different in different states? Anyway, Americans are always whining about it, so I figured it was national/federal.

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        Most Americans opt to have their employer take the taxes out and send them to the government for them. But its not required, we can choose to receive all of our pay and take responsibility for sending the government their cut ourselves. Its a PITA, but some opt to put their taxes in an account to earn interest for a year before paying the government. They view paying monthly as “giving the government a free loan.”

        When you have your employer do it for you, your pay stub breaks down the amount you started with and how much was taken out for each tax. We can see what we are paying in tax on every paycheck which is why so many Americans complain about it.

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        I’m confused. You say taxes are not paid by the employer before the employee is paid, but you’re also saying Americans are always whining about taxes coming out of their paychecks?

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          Whining about having to pay income taxes by themselves. Could also be that many are self employed.

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            Ah. I don’t think it’s the taxes themselves, I think it’s the transparency of where the money goes, why the working class is paying far more than million and billionaires.

            We carry this country and feel we’re getting shafted in the long run. Free school lunches being removed, little to no support for under privileged, elderly. The latest with the big beautiful bill further destroying the healthcare. USA is being torn apart from the inside out and nothing we can do.

            It’s hard to not be upset when you’re paying registration fees, property taxes, state taxes, etc, and run over the same fucking potholes for years for example.