its funny you mention dodge because I have up to this point bought grand caravans and they had worse reliability but a lower cost that you could sorta amoratize to cover repair. That and that they just had this great engineering feature wise. needless to say they killed off the brand to push their more expensive but no more reliable pacifica while even doing a crappier job on it to boot. When they were shopping around for a buyer awhile back I was hoping a korean company would buy them.