I don’t believe that. There are only a few ships with great than 1k crews and anyone who mans a weapon system or steers the ship is striking with a weapon waaaayyy more powerful than a mere gun. Heck even the other folks are equivalent to a sniper spoter. Keeping the weapon in good repair. Now I disagree its their fault for signing up (given the us system allows for few oportunities to adequate pay and benefits) but I do agree they should recognize when they should refuse to be part of what is clearly wrong. They should recognize that they are signing something that says they will kill who they are told to kill. Be it with a gun or by maintaining a powerful weapon system.
I don’t give a shit what you believe. I am telling you from first hand experience (not “belief”) the truth.
You want to do a whole “guilt by association” thing, but you haven’t put ANY thought into what that means. Is the cook a “killer”? Is the IT guy a murder? How about the guy who does fuel maintenance? Yeoman?
What about those serving on ship tenders? They don’t even have weapons, they’re supply ships. Are they all killers by association too?
Why not blame farmers too? I mean, they did give the ship tender food… and that tender did give that food to a destroyer… and that destroyer has a cook, so we know he’s a bloodthirsty baby killer… and that food was eaten by hundreds of people… one of them might clean/maintain a weapon system… and someone else might shoot it… so they’re all murders now too… right? Especially that water guy from before…
Where’s the line? Or maybe, we should just judge the person who pulls the trigger, instead of engaging in blind group punishment?
well your truth would have ships running weapons systems with under 10 people and in some cases less than one. In a tank crew the one firing the gun is not the only one killing people.
Apples and oranges, an amazingly flawed and poorly thought out example.
You’re comparing 100s (sometimes thousands) to a crew of 3-5 people… as if that’s even nearly the same thing.
Plus you’re ignoring the whole motopool behind the tankcrew too, and the supply team with them. The mechanics and logisticians, cooks and even water boys…
And even those two things aren’t comparable. Wheras a “waterboy” in a motopool might have to worry about being directly attacked (and be prepared to defend themselves). Ship maintainers will never have that happen… there’s no scenario where suddenly the ship’s water engineer is picking up a gun to murder people; even in defense…
I don’t believe that. There are only a few ships with great than 1k crews and anyone who mans a weapon system or steers the ship is striking with a weapon waaaayyy more powerful than a mere gun. Heck even the other folks are equivalent to a sniper spoter. Keeping the weapon in good repair. Now I disagree its their fault for signing up (given the us system allows for few oportunities to adequate pay and benefits) but I do agree they should recognize when they should refuse to be part of what is clearly wrong. They should recognize that they are signing something that says they will kill who they are told to kill. Be it with a gun or by maintaining a powerful weapon system.
I don’t give a shit what you believe. I am telling you from first hand experience (not “belief”) the truth.
You want to do a whole “guilt by association” thing, but you haven’t put ANY thought into what that means. Is the cook a “killer”? Is the IT guy a murder? How about the guy who does fuel maintenance? Yeoman?
What about those serving on ship tenders? They don’t even have weapons, they’re supply ships. Are they all killers by association too?
Why not blame farmers too? I mean, they did give the ship tender food… and that tender did give that food to a destroyer… and that destroyer has a cook, so we know he’s a bloodthirsty baby killer… and that food was eaten by hundreds of people… one of them might clean/maintain a weapon system… and someone else might shoot it… so they’re all murders now too… right? Especially that water guy from before…
Where’s the line? Or maybe, we should just judge the person who pulls the trigger, instead of engaging in blind group punishment?
well your truth would have ships running weapons systems with under 10 people and in some cases less than one. In a tank crew the one firing the gun is not the only one killing people.
Apples and oranges, an amazingly flawed and poorly thought out example.
You’re comparing 100s (sometimes thousands) to a crew of 3-5 people… as if that’s even nearly the same thing.
Plus you’re ignoring the whole motopool behind the tankcrew too, and the supply team with them. The mechanics and logisticians, cooks and even water boys…
And even those two things aren’t comparable. Wheras a “waterboy” in a motopool might have to worry about being directly attacked (and be prepared to defend themselves). Ship maintainers will never have that happen… there’s no scenario where suddenly the ship’s water engineer is picking up a gun to murder people; even in defense…
Pit crew for the murder machine are all still murderers