• Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca
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    13 hours ago

    There shouldn’t be a minimum wage! The free market should decide!

    If everyone had a baseline standard of living, capitalists could pay whatever they wanted. And if their proposed wage wasn’t worth doing, then no one would do it.

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      13 hours ago

      No one would do it

      Unskilled labor does not have the luxury to just “not do it”. The capitalists know this, which is why they depress wages as far as they can to keep an entire class of workers under water.

      If I were to lose my job, which can happen at any time working in a non-union shop in an at-will state, I would not be able to go anywhere and receive comparable wages in my area. I am studying to get certifications in a different industry that would give me some amount of freedom. For now, I work at the mercy of my employer.

      The free market is a scam. It will take massive changes, paradigm shifts, to create an environment where the workers are free to go work where they choose, and be given actually competitive compensation.

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          6 hours ago

          Unskilled labor as in, I do not have any degrees or certifications that I can simply take to a new employer to leverage anything above starting at the bottom. This will almost always mean making less money. At-will employment mixed with unequal application of company rules and policy means that any day at work could be my last. Unemployment checks are a joke, and would not even cover my rent.

          What would you call that?

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        6 hours ago

        But you’re only obligated to work under the threat of illegal homelessness. That’s not a free market, that’s coercion.

        If your basic needs were guaranteed, then unskilled labour especially would dictate the value of work in a truly free market. And if you truly can’t find a job that will satisfy your desired lifestyle, you won’t die or be imprisoned or suffer from illness.

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          6 hours ago

          How would my basic needs be guaranteed? If the government is going to provide the social safety nets they owe to us, then why not have them regulate labor, providing basic labor needs being guaranteed? Unions would be great, but there will be plenty of businesses that will not have them. Why not provide a safety net to the workers who will inevitably fall between the cracks?

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            3 hours ago

            The government shouldn’t be providing safety nets, it should be maintaining the floor to ensure all citizens’ basic needs are met. There should be no “what ifs”.

            The labour needs are already met, and would continue to be met in a free market where labour was optional for the labourer because people have wants. If you believe the government would need to ensure that labour needs are met, you’re believing the capitalist lie that foundational labour must be bought under threat of violence.