At that point, the lesser evil position is which ever will destroy the USs ability to do genocide the fastest

It’s extremely telling that even you “lesser evil” BlueMAGA types can’t being yourselves to actually be honest about what you supported: you have to make up this bullshit white washed version of the Democrats that wasn’t entirely all in on genocide. Clearly even you know the lesser evil position as it actually exists is indefensible.

Despite that, there sure are a lot of folks here who were eager to hand him the keys of the country, and continue to to defend their choice.

Mate, everyone told you people that Democrats would lose if they didn’t change tact, but you refused. You were the ones who eagerly handed Trump the keys to the country!

our only options were more vs less.

No, you were just a genocide denier when it was your team doing it. It took Trump winning for you to actually admit the extent of the genocide.

BlueMAGA continues to insist that, because they denied the extent of the genocide when he was there team doing it, the genocide actually wasn’t that bad when it was there team doing it.

Yup. Same for Russiagate or the “Uyghur Genocide”.

They sure were

There also haven’t been any referendums in Wallonia to join France. Or Flanders to join the Netherlands. Or Austria to join Germany. What’s your point?

Ah, I see you’ve reached the “deliberately playing dumb” stage of bad faith argument.

No, they haven’t. Why would they? The PRC don’t control Taiwan. I fail to see how this comparison makes any sense.

And Ukraine doesn’t control Donbas, yet you said any referendums have to be overseen by them to be legitimate. But again, you’re playing dumb here.

Also, is there a particular reason I should have to respect any referendums organised by Russia?

Damn, really picking and choosing when it comes to “recognizing the right to self determination”

When did the Zap oblast or Kherson demand referendums?

Whataboutism. We are talking about Donbas, which tried to have referendums, only for Ukraine to declare them illegal.

Is Wallonia obliged to hold a referendum to see if they want to join France? Is Russia “refusing” to hold referendums in Dagestan, Bashkortostan?

Ah ok, so you support the right to self determination, unless the ruling power says no, then it’s tough luck.

Lol. “How was my obvious pinkwashing, pinkwashing!!??”

I replied to condemn your disgusting use of pink washing, I don’t give a fuck about your “you have to answer my question!” Debatelord bullshit.

Not what I asked you: Are you going to unironically claim that referendums conducted under military occupation by a well known autocratic regime are going to be genuine?

Damn, crazy how there aren’t any referendums from before the Russian invasion. I wonder why not…

The referendums in the Russian occupied regions were not conducted by Ukraine

Has Taiwan had any referendums conducted by the PRC? Presumably those are the only ones you’d respect.

Moreover, are you normalising and justifying the idea of a state just invading chunks of land and them legitimising their conquest via dodgy referendums?

As opposed to just refusing to hold referendums in the first place?

“Answer my question! Answer my question! Debate me! Debate me!”

No, fuck off.

How convenient: any time you don’t like the result of a referendum, just declare that it can’t be trusted.

And if they say “We don’t want to be a part of the PRC” would you accept that?

Yes: unlike you I wouldn’t just declare “well clearly the RoC government just rigged the vote.”

Would you accept if they did choose to be part of the PRC?

Don’t care about your question, pink washing Zionist

“killing brown people isn’t violence”

Don’t you have SS veterans to be giving standing ovations too right now?

Which just resulted in a different fascist being elected, and then Trump got reelected anyway?

He was appointed by the elected government

I mean in any other civilized country, a rapist would be sucking cocks in prison, not become a president

Your daily reminder that American liberals are also sadistic fascists

We forgetting that the person who replaced him was also a fascist and then Trump got reelected anyway now?

You people really are hell bent on reducing the word “genocide” to meaninglessness