Automation built into the GUI, with a dedicated language or accessible via the API.
Thousands of third-party utils to tweak the UI, including tons of open-source ones because programmers love Mac for the Unix. Including stuff like Hammerspoon and Alfred, the likes of which Linux users have never seen.
Not sure what you’re getting at - it looks like you’re quoting something?
I use mac every day for work, and I do like that it is based on Unix, but the desktop/GUI is a nightmare, and the fact you have to use “thousands of third-party utils to tweak the UI” or use hammerspoon or Alfred instead of having options to do regular shit is a downside, and in corporate settings sometimes people aren’t even able to install 3rd party utils, which case they’re just SoL
the fact you have to use “thousands of third-party utils to tweak the UI”
What, like when you have to have a program or a widget in Linux or Windows to do some UI stuff? Which program might not be there out of the box? Idk why it’s such a difficult concept for Mac haters that when you have an app doing some UI tweaks, it’s the same thing in every OS. Mac UI is just conservative by itself, the same way as some Linux GUIs are barebones — which is somehow paraded as great success by Linuxoids but is looked down upon when Mac is doing it.
or use hammerspoon or Alfred instead of having options
You don’t “have” to use Hammerspoon or Alfred, but you can use them to do advanced stuff. Which you can’t do in Windows or Linux, because there’s nothing quite like these apps there. Alfred has some feeble analogues, while there’s bupkis like Hammerspoon aside from Autohotkey for Windows with its shitty 80s-style language and limited abilities. The fact that there isn’t a Hammerspoon-like app for Linux is a travesty, considering Linux users go on all day long about how it’s customizable and caters to power users. And by the way, if you look at Hammerspoon and Alfred and don’t know why you might want to use them, you’re not a power user.
Man, you are really focused on me being a “mac hater”, despite me indicating I use one every day and am complaining about real issues that I grapple with.
And constructing a strawman about windows/Linux needing 3rd party apps as well is just silly. I did require some way back in windows 7 for some multi desktop stuff, and I’m sure some people with very specific workflows might still want them, but built-in settings get you really far and are good enough for me these days. On windows I have to get WSL or historically mingw or something, but that’s really outside the UI realm and I don’t even use Windows these days anyway.
a strawman about windows/Linux needing 3rd party apps as well is just silly
You’re right here. Windows now needs third-party apps to remove “features”, not to add them. That’s the biggest difference between Windows and Mac these years. As for Linux, it always was and remains a toss-up as to whether the widget you want is installed, so I don’t see the fucking distinction. It’s not like Linux has every widget under the sun installed by default, is it? That would be pure madness.
Again, I invite you to look into Hammerspoon and Alfred for what UI interaction could be like, if you have even the slightest scripting chops. For example, my Android phone could hand off the Bluetooth headphones via the Automate app to the Macbook or vice versa, via drop-down widgets on the phone or a custom command on the laptop. With Linux, I have to kludge up my own endpoints with an Nginx webserver, no less, with barely any desktop APIs available through the command-line.
With KDE connect and probably the GNOME equivalent I can do whatever I want to my computer from my phone.
Again, though, this discussion started talking about things I want settings for that have settings in other OS. I’m sure you can do really cool things with it, but I don’t want to learn a scripting API to be able to do these things on my work computer.
The question is not whether KDE Connect is available for any given OS (it reportedly works on Windows and MacOS; and also word is that iPhone’s integration with Mac beats the pants off any kind of third-party package). Switching the headphones from the phone to the desktop is just one of infinite things that Hammerspoon can do, and if you don’t understand that, you’re not and never were a power user — especially since you “don’t want to learn a scripting API”, which is what power users do day in and day out. The fact is that no desktop automation like Hammerspoon is available for Linux, which is a complete failure on part of Linux advocates.
Unlike yourself? Who straight up said you don’t want to deal with a scripting API, while claiming to be a ‘power user’? A scripting API is what allows a power user to be a power user, and it was there in MacOS since 1993.
Again, if you have no idea how you could use Hammerspoon, you’re not a power user at all. You’re just a kiddie using big words.
Apple haters are like a broken record.
Not sure what you’re getting at - it looks like you’re quoting something?
I use mac every day for work, and I do like that it is based on Unix, but the desktop/GUI is a nightmare, and the fact you have to use “thousands of third-party utils to tweak the UI” or use hammerspoon or Alfred instead of having options to do regular shit is a downside, and in corporate settings sometimes people aren’t even able to install 3rd party utils, which case they’re just SoL
What, like when you have to have a program or a widget in Linux or Windows to do some UI stuff? Which program might not be there out of the box? Idk why it’s such a difficult concept for Mac haters that when you have an app doing some UI tweaks, it’s the same thing in every OS. Mac UI is just conservative by itself, the same way as some Linux GUIs are barebones — which is somehow paraded as great success by Linuxoids but is looked down upon when Mac is doing it.
You don’t “have” to use Hammerspoon or Alfred, but you can use them to do advanced stuff. Which you can’t do in Windows or Linux, because there’s nothing quite like these apps there. Alfred has some feeble analogues, while there’s bupkis like Hammerspoon aside from Autohotkey for Windows with its shitty 80s-style language and limited abilities. The fact that there isn’t a Hammerspoon-like app for Linux is a travesty, considering Linux users go on all day long about how it’s customizable and caters to power users. And by the way, if you look at Hammerspoon and Alfred and don’t know why you might want to use them, you’re not a power user.
Man, you are really focused on me being a “mac hater”, despite me indicating I use one every day and am complaining about real issues that I grapple with.
And constructing a strawman about windows/Linux needing 3rd party apps as well is just silly. I did require some way back in windows 7 for some multi desktop stuff, and I’m sure some people with very specific workflows might still want them, but built-in settings get you really far and are good enough for me these days. On windows I have to get WSL or historically mingw or something, but that’s really outside the UI realm and I don’t even use Windows these days anyway.
You’re right here. Windows now needs third-party apps to remove “features”, not to add them. That’s the biggest difference between Windows and Mac these years. As for Linux, it always was and remains a toss-up as to whether the widget you want is installed, so I don’t see the fucking distinction. It’s not like Linux has every widget under the sun installed by default, is it? That would be pure madness.
Again, I invite you to look into Hammerspoon and Alfred for what UI interaction could be like, if you have even the slightest scripting chops. For example, my Android phone could hand off the Bluetooth headphones via the Automate app to the Macbook or vice versa, via drop-down widgets on the phone or a custom command on the laptop. With Linux, I have to kludge up my own endpoints with an Nginx webserver, no less, with barely any desktop APIs available through the command-line.
With KDE connect and probably the GNOME equivalent I can do whatever I want to my computer from my phone.
Again, though, this discussion started talking about things I want settings for that have settings in other OS. I’m sure you can do really cool things with it, but I don’t want to learn a scripting API to be able to do these things on my work computer.
The question is not whether KDE Connect is available for any given OS (it reportedly works on Windows and MacOS; and also word is that iPhone’s integration with Mac beats the pants off any kind of third-party package). Switching the headphones from the phone to the desktop is just one of infinite things that Hammerspoon can do, and if you don’t understand that, you’re not and never were a power user — especially since you “don’t want to learn a scripting API”, which is what power users do day in and day out. The fact is that no desktop automation like Hammerspoon is available for Linux, which is a complete failure on part of Linux advocates.
You’re just being ridiculous at this point dude
Unlike yourself? Who straight up said you don’t want to deal with a scripting API, while claiming to be a ‘power user’? A scripting API is what allows a power user to be a power user, and it was there in MacOS since 1993.
Again, if you have no idea how you could use Hammerspoon, you’re not a power user at all. You’re just a kiddie using big words.