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      even if all the leftists vote for

      That’s my point, and also the mistake. I’m a first past the post system, you don’t vote FOR anything. You vote AGAINST the worst candidate. Not voting is the same as voting for the worst because it moves the goal posts closer.

      So until people understand that, there’s no help in highlighting flaws in Democrat candidates. It only scares off the people who don’t understand FPTP.

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        That’s my point, and also the mistake. I’m a first past the post system, you don’t vote FOR anything. You vote AGAINST the worst candidate.

        This message brought to you by the second worst party. By as thin a margin as they think they can get away with.

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          So you’re saying both parties suck, and also agree with the fact that our current voting system holds us hostage?

          I’m 100% with you. And until we get ranked choice voting, we hold our nose and vote Democrat to reduce how big of a shaft is rammed into our minority friends and family.

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            As they sprint to the right and throw our minority friends and family under the bus for the glorious privilege of gaining zero republican votes. And then they blame the left for the results of their complicity with fascists.

            But I can’t dare gripe about it, ostensibly because it HeLpS tHe RePuBliCanS, but in all cases it’s really because centrists don’t want any criticism as they move so far to the right that they’re supporting genocide.

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                I’m saying that centrists already help the republicans.

                But god fucking forbid someone to their left have any criticism whatsoever.

                You don’t care about a goddamned thing except securing the silence of the left.

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                  I care about securing the success of the Democrats. Anything else is securing l ensuring success of Republicans. It’s literally two choices. You don’t get a good one. You hope to reject the worse one.

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                    I care about securing the success of the Democrats.

                    And moving to the right and throwing vulnerable minorities under the bus hasn’t done that, but it’s helping republicans to try to get the party to ever stop betraying anyone not named netanyahu or cheney.

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          Its actually borne out by the statistics. Generally few people get what they want in FPTP but the public can often avoid what it doesnt want as long as there’s not a 3rd party. The major problem is donors pick the party candidates in both parties unless more people start voting in primaries.

          If you watched the dem primary in NY you saw the difference in tone for a ranked choice election. Politicians can win in platforms there because RCV can actually deliver popular candidates.

          I do think it works better if people retaliate against senators and house reps for specific votes rather than party vibes. You want the politicians afraid to vote against the public not riding poll numbers on seats.

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            Have fun voting for second worst every time as they keep chasing fascists to the right, then.

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              Actually I just sit around jacking off about how equally terrible all the candidates are while I poo poo in my diaper.

              Really though, do you not understand what primaries are for?

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                Actually I just sit around jacking off about how equally terrible all the candidates are while I poo poo in my diaper.

                I mean, you clearly like how awful all the candidates are because awful candidates represent your interests, so it doesn’t surprise me that you derive pleasure from a situation advantageous to you.

                Really though, do you not understand what primaries are for?

                Democrats successfully argued in court that they don’t have to run honest primaries, and they didn’t have presidential primaries at all last year. Primaries are kabuki. Though the Standard Establishment Gaslighting when someone isn’t as happy with it as you are isn’t surprising in the least.

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                  I think you’re misunderstanding what the democrats and especially the DNC are in our political system in the current moment. They are people actively working to put giant targets on their own backs. If you want to end the democratic party the easiest thing you can do is elect them. The republican party is actively encouraging assassinating and jailing them.

                  They don’t understand the media, they don’t understand politics, they barely understand money and are constantly outmaneuvered by shit for brains republicans like trump.

                  At this point its not even about lesser evils. Democrats could go further right on every single issue than republicans and they would still be reviled by the right because they absolutely will never understand how entrenched the media is against them.