- cross-posted to:
- privacy@lemmy.ca
- cross-posted to:
- privacy@lemmy.ca
cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1432229/your-car-is-a-smartphone-on-wheels-a-team-of-researchers-tested-21-vehicles-and-found-th
Data sent by vehicles and companion apps included locations, VINs, and other identifiers. Amazon, Google, Meta, and Microsoft were among the top receivers of driver data.
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Would REALLY love to de-surveillance my vehicle if anybody has any tips (please quietly make the “buy an old car instead” jokes to yourself)
Find and disconnect the telemetry antenna. If the telemetry is in a discrete unit delete that too.
Don’t do anything irreversible in case the manufacturer has booby trapped the car to go in to limp mode without the portable flock setup.
We just bought a new car this year (Kia) and I completely confused the sales lady when I told her we were not going to use the “connect app” or activate connect on the car itself. She was like “lets get you setup in connect” and I was “no thanks”
We have a nice 🚫 symbol with a radio tree behind it, so I 100% know the car is still connected to the cell network but it is not registered/connected to us, and no app installed.
Sure, we lose some functionality (remote start, and access to in-car wifi) but all of that is paid subscriptions. Sure they first x months are ‘free’ but after you gotta pony up $ to continue.
Note: I’m under no illusion tracking is just not happening for us now… I just want to make it harder where I can.
My wife just got a newer car last week so I’m asking you because you know more than I.
We never connected a phone to it but the GPS worked right off the bat. Do cars have standalone GPS now? As long as we don’t connect a phone, it can’t reach the internet, right?
Cars had standalone GNSS (GPS) for quite a while. GNSS itself doesn’t require internet. It’s output is coordinates and elevation - it’s the “gotta have internet to load the map in which I’ll show you the coordinates” that makes people associate GNSS with internet.
Unless it has local maps like mine that are now a decade out of date. It’s completely useless now but i refuse to pay several 100 for the update.
My car isn’t because it’s old and stupid.
I hate my 2013 Mazda but also love it. Stupid and full of bad memories
I just sold my 2013 for a 2011. I’m reverting!
I hope the study specifically publishes the data on the Model 3. I bought one before I became much more privacy conscious, but I’ve done my best to mitigate the leakage from that. In doing so, I read through all of Tesla’s terms and conditions upon opt out and sending any of my information or information that can be used to identify or profile me, should never be sold to advertisers. I write software licenses for a living so I’m pretty confident in my reading on this. It would be interesting to see what can currently be mitigated by changing some settings and what cannot.
I have a 2008 car, it doesn’t even chime when I don’t put my seatbelt on.
After driving a 2024 Subaru, I realize that I am a very fortunate person, and I live a life of silence and peaceful reflection.
2010 models at the latest, I am only going to own old vehicles until this beeping madness ends.
How long until new models show advertisements on the dash related to your conversations? Three years, tops.
Good thing is you can permanently disable most of the safety beeps on Subarus. I did on mine.
I have a 2011 Silverado 4wd that I lucked into real cheap right before covid. I ripped the OnStar out of it and I hope it never dies 'cause I won’t ever be able to afford anything like it again.
Inb4 the anti truck bitchfest. I live in the sticks, and use it the way a truck needs to be used.
Researchers connected each vehicle to a custom WiFi access point and logged all outgoing traffic.
The article talks about both apps and the vehicles themselves. I would really like to see more info on what the cars do when you take the apps out of the equation. Are there any that don’t phone home unless you explicitly give them internet access?
A study about the results will be published this week.
I look forward to reading this.
Edit: actually there’s quite a bit more detailed info at https://automatictransmission.khoury.northeastern.edu/
I’m still not sure if those require giving the car a WiFi/cellular connection or if it’ll just use it’s own… I’ve heard that cars use their own SIMs to phone home, but I don’t actually know how prevalent that is
I know for a fact Ford ships a modem with a SIM and they use it sparingly because it’s expensive. Don’t know abt the rest.
That graphic is less than useless without any source to back it up though…for all we know this could be AI garbage you just generated.
It’s in the article that they were responding to. So you are just wildely throwing out negativity without any comprehension.
That edit with the link came after my comment it seems
It’s also in the article OP posted…
Stop hitting them, they already dead.
No it’s not, that’s a different graph although it has similar data.
Do remind me
Would rather drive a rust bucket. I do drive a rust bucket. I’m not affraid of scratching it. I don’t feel I have to always keep it pristine clean. I’m not affraid of working on it myself. I’m not being
chargedrobbed subscriptions for equipment already installed. I’m not wondering wether I’m being tracked by sick fucking creeps.The one time I’m happy that Toyota was so far behind the competition - I’ve a 2020 Prius and its infotainment looks a decade out of date but that means it’s very offline.
While I have a 2024 Honda Civic, it doesn’t have a cell connection (though it does have a form of GPS). I’m fine with that, but I’m surprised that it didn’t even have that option.
Are you sure? If it’s possible to have Honda link then it’s very likely got a connection, it’s just not for you.
You can disconnect that cell connection. I have a 2018 Accord and there is a module in the trunk that has a plug you just pull it out.
The more you know. 🌠
Sportier cars seem to somewhat have escaped that trend. Subaru BRZs have had pretty much the same interior for a while. First gen 2013-2020 had no built in internet. The second gen looks similar, although I’m not sure if it still is as basic.
Interesting to see Subaru at the very bottom - barely anything, but Toyota is the opposite, sucking up big data like they’re General Motors
Edit: can confirm my car isn’t doing anything - when I upgraded my head unit, I discovered unconnected wires where a telemetry module would be
The ECU in my 1991 Chevy k2500 is little more than a desk calculator that can turn throttle position into injector duty cycle and ignition timing. Good luck advertising companies.
How are they doing this? Do they have their own little simcard the Chinese govt pays out the ass for?
Not Chinese, but yes, every modern car has a data only cellular connection of some sort. They can easily afford it because they’re selling your data to anyone who will buy it.
Fucking hell, I don’t even have an electric car but I wanted one. Can we just exist without having it be ruined?
From what OP posted of the article why do you think it is Chinese companies doing this when it’s clearly american. We live in the shit hole you have been made to believe China is
Y’all do know you’re allowed to open and read the article, yeah?
The top recipients of driver data included many of the largest tech companies operating in the U.S., including Alphabet (which runs Google), Amazon, Meta (which runs Facebook), Microsoft, Pinterest, and Reddit, among dozens of others. Many of these companies play two roles in the driver data ecosystem, as both providers of software (such as the Android Automotive operating system) and as operators of advertising “auction” platforms that marketers use to target specific types of customers. As such, the companies that collect driver data are often the first node in a vast personal data ecosystem.
My point was the person I was talking to didn’t even need to do that to know this isn’t a Chinese problem
- Who is this “we”?
- https://autopostglobal.com/car-news-industry/article/57981/ , https://kinacentrum.se/en/publications/security-concerns-regarding-chinese-connected-cars-a-short-overview/
- Does it really matter if it’s the fucking chinese govt or ford doing this? I want to know how they do it.
The royal we. Those of us that live in the shit hole usa
almost a quarter of the vehicle apps were found to be sending out personally identifiable information
confirming my suspicion it was done through the accompanying app
