• Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Voting correctly is important

    Has voting ever produced any sort of serious effect in the US?

    Voting Republican caused Ukraine to lose its funding

    Meaning that the state of Ukraine will have less of a reason and less of an ability to avoid peace negotiations to stop the bloodshed. This is good.

    but don’t forget it also protects billions of people

    It literally does the opposite. It’s a colonial empire that is conducting a genocide right now and that has been invading everywhere in the world to keep billions of people in a colonial yoke. It only defends colonial metropoles and settler-colonies from justice.
    Furthermore, at most, it ‘protects’ about a billion of people, and not ‘billions’.

    All Nazis are Republicans. Few to none are Democrats

    They are almost all nazis. Even if one cares about electoralism, almost all Dems who could voted against reduction of military support for Pissrael.
    It’s not really arguable that at least almost all Dems are in favour of genocides and invasions - like the ones into Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan.

    Basically none of your arguments are rooted in truth, even slightly

    Except for all of them.
    Notably, you couldn’t even provide examples of non-nazi Dems, and lied about NATO protecting billions of people and keep lying about voting being important despite having nothing to show for it.

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                    “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

                    ― Jean-Paul Sartre

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            Do the world a favor and stop supporting Nazis

            Well, I’m not the one who is supporting nazis. You, on the other hand, have been insistent that half of your governing nazis are not nazis.

            I can’t believe you think that Jews and immigrants are subhumans

            Notably, I never said anything against either of those groups (whom both Dems and Reps have been acting against, with both of Obama’s terms being the most ICE-happy time period), but it’s pretty evident from your reaction that you think that being against a Lebensraum-style genocide must mean that I’m opposed to some ethnic group.

            You are in favour of displacing and killing Palestinians, aren’t you?

            You’re a white supremacist, plain and simple

            This is silly and very backwards.
            You have literally been arguing about how the blue brand of white supremacists in your government is awesome, and how NATO - the organisation dedicated to white supremacist colonialism - is great.

            EDIT: Also, what are the blue-brand white supremacists that are non-nazis that you can name?

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              Oh sorry. I thought we were both at the “completely mis-characterizing each other’s arguments” phase. I mean, based on your replies and everything I thought that’s what you were going for.

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                Firstly, still waiting for you to name any of the non-nazi Dems. Do you have at least five names?

                Secondly, if you think that I mischaracterised your arguments, can you point to any such mischaracterisations?
                Have you not argued that NATO - the world’s most prolific aggressor and the world’s premier white supremacist polity - is somehow good?
                Have you not argued that voting is somehow important in the US despite having produced no results to speak of throughout its history?
                Have you not implied that the Lebensraum in Palestine should not be stopped and that the homes and land should not be given back to their rightful owners?

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                  11 hours ago

                  You have several grammar and spelling mistakes in your post. Since part of you is imperfect, all of you is imperfect and therefore your argument that you yourself are “good” is irrelevant. Can you name at least five good things you’ve done? Still waiting.

                  Have you not argued that tomatoes are vegetables?

                  If you can think of any, and I mean ANY mischaracterizations I’ve made about anything you’ve said I’m absolutely eager to hear them.

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                    You have several grammar and spelling mistakes in your post

                    I avoided pointing out your grammar mistakes (like when you couldn’t figure out the difference between ‘All nazis are Republicans’ instead of ‘All Republicans are nazis’) as a courtesy. But sure, what grammar/spelling mistakes do you think I have made?

                    Since part of you is imperfect, all of you is imperfect and therefore your argument that you yourself are “good” is irrelevant

                    Hahaha.
                    Are you seriously equating me supposedly making grammar mistakes with your empire intentionally engaging in invasions, genocides, torture, colonialism, etc. against most of the world?

                    Can you name at least five good things you’ve done? Still waiting.

                    Firstly, if almost none of the Dems are nazis, you should have no trouble mentioning five of them.
                    Secondly, you don’t get to ask a question and then immediately go ‘still waiting’. This question is obviously just a deflection by you.
                    Thirdly, I can say that, at least, I have not been engaging in white supremacy and genocide apologia, which is more than can be said about you.

                    Have you not argued that tomatoes are vegetables?

                    No, and especially not in this conversation.

                    Considering that you are not giving negatory responses to the relevant questions, we can conclude that you did argue so, and that I did not mischaracterise you.

                    If you can think of any, and I mean ANY mischaracterizations I’ve made about anything you’ve said I’m absolutely eager to hear them.

                    I have not brought up you mischaracterising what I have said. You did claim that I mischaracterise you. Considering that you can’t point to any such mischaracterisations, we can conclude that that was a lie.