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A Helpful Guide To Star Wars vs Star Trek
Star Wars
[Image of Han Solo in Tommy’s style]
- Don’t start with the ‘first’ movie, let me tell you where to start
- Looks like ruined farm equipment in space
- In summary: the past was horrible
- JJ Abrams ruined it
Star Trek
[Image of Jean Luc Picard in Tommy’s style]
- Don’t start with the first season, let me tell you where to start
- Looks like a cruise ship in space
- In summary: the future is incredible
- JJ Abrams ruined it
I’ll die on this hill. JJ Abrams didn’t ruin Star Wars. He just didn’t do anything new with Star Wars. Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars. He was unwilling to yes-and any of the mystery boxes and plot threads Abrams set up in The Force Awakens and essentially ruined the entire trilogy by burning any plot that could have happened in the third film.
If nothing else, the complete disrespect to Finn’s implied arc was unforgivable. That boy was going to be a Jedi.
J. J. Abrams established that Star Wars was just a repeating formula rather than a developing story, which would be bad enough, but in order to make the formula repeat he also made it canon that everything that happened in the original trilogy was ultimately meaningless.
I must’ve watched all the wrong trailers because I didn’t even know Rey was going to be a character.
Based on what I saw, I thought “The Force Awakens” was going to be about a disillusioned Storm Trooper who “awakens” as the new Jedi to save the galaxy. Would have been an amazing story of redemption. Instead we got… Well… You know.
I’d watch that movie.
I kinda respected that they were hiding who the new Jedi was in the marketing. They kept it enough of a secret theult didn’t have many Rey toys ready to go. They did the same thing with Grogu in The Mandalorian.
I’ll criticize Disney for a lot of things, but they do actually seem to allow some of their filmmakers to make artistic decisions that have negative impacts on potential merch sales.
The Force Awakens was crap but it tended to get the benefit of the doubt because there were all these mysterious threads that might be going somewhere interesting. But the problem is, JJ Abrams had no clue about where he was going with any of it. That’s unforgivable. You need some idea of the story you want to tell. Or just hire a fucking writer ffs. Plenty of people know how to tell a story, JJ Abrams just isn’t one of them. I don’t want to let Rian Johnson off the hook but it was already on a bad trajectory before he crashed it into the ground.
He’s literally been quoted as saying he didn’t realize that the MAIN LINE STAR WARS FILM was going to be PART OF A TRILOGY.
They needed a show runner. Someone there who at least knew the gist of the whole story and had the authority to override director egos.
He did write and directed it but he was still under Kathleen’s watch. She has admitted they had no overall vision for the trilogy and just winged it.
personally, I think Rise of Skywalker is the weakest of the three.
Totally Agree, I just blame The Last Jedi for that.
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aaaand. I also blame the fandom.
Rose was part of the story by the end of The Last Jedi. Whatever opinions fans had about her sudden appearance, I take personal offense that Disney caved and relegated her to the shadows for Rise of a Skywalker, replacing her with another love interest for Finn. That’s just bad story telling and kinda spineless. The character and the actor deserved better.
That added to the narrative whiplash and tone shift in the trilogy and it 100% didn’t have to be that way. It was capitulation and it further hurt a narrative that was already hurting from all the twists of the previous movie.
Neither ruined Star Wars. That honor goes to George Lucas and Episode 1.
Yes. It’s weird how much people on the Internet seem to revere the prequels. They’re terrible. Awful dialog, ridiculous plot contrivances, de-mystifying the force, turning Yoda into some kind of Tasmanian Devil, etc. etc. etc.
The sequels were just beating a dead horse.
The prequels were coarse and rough and they got everywhere :(
As individual movies, the prequels certainly had their flaws, but they left the universe in a more interesting state than it was in previously. Abrams turned Star Wars into just another soulless Hollywood sequel factory.
George made Midichlorians and turned the force into something in which you needed to be born gifted, rather than something you could aspire to.
He turned Boba Fett into just another clone and Darth Vader into an angsty teen.
He created a world where everyone forgot about the Jedi in 16 years to the point where Han thinks of it as a hokey religion when as a kid he would have seen the propaganda of the Republic’s main generals being Jedi and then them “betraying” the Republic during order 66.
The sequels might not be good, but let’s not pretend the prequels were better just because you grew up with them.
I can’t argue the quality of the prequels with indifference. I was too young when they dropped to hate them. I will say that they’re flawed and episode III is good because I watched the Clone Wars. The prequels weren’t great, but the sequels were essentially sabotaged by a proud director.
I will admit that Genndy Tartikovsky’s Clone Wars show is perhaps the greatest piece of Star Wars media to ever exist, but as far as the movies go the prequels were overall sabotaged by an auteur’s pride and him being in a position where no one could tell him “No”.
What potential answer to the mystery box of “Luke has hidden himself and completely cut himself off from the force” is there other than self exile? Rian Johnson didn’t ruin anything, there’s just no satisfying answer to such a question. If you dislike the answer, it’s because the question is bad to begin with. Abrams set that up.
I would ask you to consider why Yoda did the same? beyond the obvious of Palatine trying to kill him? Wasn’t Kylo/Snoke trying to do the same to Luke? Yoda was camped on a dark side nexus or something IIRC from the various sources.
but self exile doesn’t need to mean surly and in video game media we have seen Luke running around doing a bunch of stuff outside of the eyes of the new republic. What reason could obi-wan have for letting vader kill him? fans ask in the 70s after leaving the theater.
It’s not about it being a self exile. It’s about the portrayal of his personality and beliefs in that exile.
Yoda was a failed Jedi. Luke succeeded in RotJ by going against his and Obi-Wan’s teachings by attempting to redeem Vader rather than just killing him. Luke’s whole character arc was about finding a new path rather than repeating the mistakes of the previous generation.
Every example of a Jedi Luke has had is a Jedi that put themselves into self exile.
I’d agree, his first one was a adequate, but if it did more, Johnson probably would have picked up the story.
Every once in a while I see a post about what a brilliant director this guy really is and that I oughta give his other movies a chance and I think maybe I should try them… but then I think: No. Some things are unforgivable.
Tell me about it. Do you know how long it took me to watch Knives Out?
Making Finn a Jedi just because he had misgivings about being a Stormtrooper, and held a lightsaber once?
Homie, Luke was a moisture farmer who shot rats and talked to a hobo.
Because his touching the force woke him form his programing. Kylo sensed it. I didn’t say he was going to be a good Jedi. but his competency was on par with Kylo in a way that Rey’s was not. Rey was outshining both of them. Her whole deal was set to be that she had raw power but didn’t want to play either side.
There is a general rule in film making and story telling. You don’t do something without purpose. Finn holding the lightsaber was signalling, yes. It was narrative foreshadowing. checkov’s gun given weight by the promotions for the movie which had Finn holding the lightsaber. In the film, He didn’t just hold a light saber or use it quickly for some one-off maneuver. Finn wielded the lightsaber. He later stepped up to Kylo and got thrashed, giving the character a path and motivation to improve. Rey was going to have her own light saber eventually, maybe even a saber staff.
I swear people just don’t have media literacy anymore. John Boyega was very vocally pissed by the end of the trilogy. Finn spent all of IX trying to tell Rey something. It’s been mostly considered that he was trying to tell her that he was force sensitive. A fact we likely would have learned in the previous movie but we never heard at all in the trilogy. Last I heard he was only willing to come back because Dave Filoni spoke to him personally. Even after that he might be getting shafted by behind the scenes politics.
Disney is still trying to fix what Johnson did to Star Wars in cinema.
there’s one of the most analyzed moments ever, because there was no reason.
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