• DoctorWhoDMC@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    You’re right, it is a privilege…

    So is having food on the table.

    Thing is, if you decline those things, those people will still be crushed and starving, and you’ll just have an empty stomach yourself and a slightly more shit government.

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      21 hours ago

      And if people say that the only way to get to the moon is building a giant sandcastle, and refuse to help building the rocket, then that makes it that much harder to put food on everyone’s table, not just those not yet crushed.

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        21 hours ago

        Who in this debate is arguing for voting instead of leftist action?

        I mean to say I really don’t get why filling out that ballot once or twice every four years precludes leftist action altogether. It’s really not one or the other.

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          19 hours ago

          Nobody is making that argument either. The point is that liberals see the system as fundamentally reformable, and this is incorrect. This is a real group of people that believes lesser evil voting will somehow result in an eventually good system, that capitalism just needs to be reformed from within.

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            11 hours ago

            But that faulty logic doesn’t mean it’s wrong to endorse voting…

            Just because your opponent makes a fallacious argument doesn’t mean their actions are self evidently wrong… Voting could have still been used to prevent a lot of shit even it’s not going to “result in an eventually good system”. The system liberals want to reform ACTUALLY EXISTS.

            It’d be like refusing to get a job because capitalism is evil and workers are delusional and think they’re a few years from being millionaires and getting a job won’t “help the socialist revolution”. Yes it’s silly to think that working will make you a millionaire … but materially is still makes no sense to refuse to be employed under capitalism right now just for the principle, regardless of ideology.

            I assume you still have a day job when you’re not planning for the revolution, right? How are you paying for your placards?