According to Ovid, Narcissus was a 16 year old who rejected all suitors. According to Conon, Narcissus “rejected Eros”. They both agree, Narcissus was punished for his refusal to love by Nemesis. Nemesis is the goddess who punishes hubris, and she made him fall in love with his reflection and die.
You say Narcissus sucked, in this Greek myth. Why do you hate him? Is it because he was asexual and aromantic? Was it because he was a child who didn’t want sex? Was it because he was “impious” in rejecting the god of love? Was it because of the manner in which he was executed?
What exactly is your stake in this queer child’s love life?
I just read the Wikipedia article not the myth itself so take it for what it is.
Getting all bent out of shape because of someone using a word that, since ancient times, meant some form toxic self love is silly at best.
Skimming through the wiki article I see more than one interpretation of the myth. An Ovids contemporary gives an interpretation of an asshole who rudely reject everyone and for being an asshole Narcissus is punished.
Yes, Ovid might have depicted the guy differently; no, I don’t know the texts myself.
But the colloquial meaning of the word is a self absorbed asshole. No matter gender or sexuality.
At the end of the day we are talking about a myth that was interpreted and reinterpreted through time by many people and even became term by itself no longer attached to the myth at all. The myth is nothing more than a fun fact and should not be treated as adding extra meaning to every usage of the word.
Well, you have to understand that the average person isn’t a mythology nerd. You might be, but to the average person, the word “narcissist” comes from self help books about the evils of people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. In the common verbiage, “narcissist” is an accusation of personality disorder, in much the same way as other words like autist, schizo, or r*tard. You see the parallel?
Ok, if taken as medical term (which happens way too often with these words) it can be seen as derogatory and making fun of a psychological disorder.
But I’d argue that no average person thinks of the word that way. I don’t think narcissism is ever seen as disorder in popular culture. From outside perspective it looks more like a choice, especially when compared to autism, schizophrenia or mental deficiency. None of those look like choices (autism being the most debatable out of the examples).
In a colloquial sense narcissist is just a selfish asshole. When talking about horror story narcissist, sociopath and / or psychopath depictions, I’m hard pressed to feel empathy for these characters. I’m not saying they are not sick, but having a disorder doesn’t automatically make actions and motivations any more justifiable.
I’m fairly young, so I used to wonder what it was like to be black or gay a few decades ago when racism was more overt. To receive open, direct abuse for a characteristic you have no control over. Even being trans, I never experienced hate so directly.
Then I self-diagnosed with NPD, and I began to meet glowing personalities such as yourself.
I grew up around narcissists, take your sympathy story and stuff it in a fucking sack, other people aren’t the problem and you insisting as much, as well as comparing it to sustemic bigotry at that, based on your self-diagnosis is narcissistic as fuck.
You being a narcissist is not other people’s burden, get over yourself. You are not a victim, those around you are.
According to Ovid, Narcissus was a 16 year old who rejected all suitors. According to Conon, Narcissus “rejected Eros”. They both agree, Narcissus was punished for his refusal to love by Nemesis. Nemesis is the goddess who punishes hubris, and she made him fall in love with his reflection and die.
You say Narcissus sucked, in this Greek myth. Why do you hate him? Is it because he was asexual and aromantic? Was it because he was a child who didn’t want sex? Was it because he was “impious” in rejecting the god of love? Was it because of the manner in which he was executed?
What exactly is your stake in this queer child’s love life?
I just read the Wikipedia article not the myth itself so take it for what it is.
Getting all bent out of shape because of someone using a word that, since ancient times, meant some form toxic self love is silly at best.
Skimming through the wiki article I see more than one interpretation of the myth. An Ovids contemporary gives an interpretation of an asshole who rudely reject everyone and for being an asshole Narcissus is punished.
Yes, Ovid might have depicted the guy differently; no, I don’t know the texts myself.
But the colloquial meaning of the word is a self absorbed asshole. No matter gender or sexuality.
At the end of the day we are talking about a myth that was interpreted and reinterpreted through time by many people and even became term by itself no longer attached to the myth at all. The myth is nothing more than a fun fact and should not be treated as adding extra meaning to every usage of the word.
But someone above here in the thread was just using the myth to defend using a mental disorder as a casual insult. That’s fucked up.
What are you talking about? Maybe I have something blocked, but I see nothing close to that in this thread.
Well, you have to understand that the average person isn’t a mythology nerd. You might be, but to the average person, the word “narcissist” comes from self help books about the evils of people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. In the common verbiage, “narcissist” is an accusation of personality disorder, in much the same way as other words like autist, schizo, or r*tard. You see the parallel?
Ok, if taken as medical term (which happens way too often with these words) it can be seen as derogatory and making fun of a psychological disorder.
But I’d argue that no average person thinks of the word that way. I don’t think narcissism is ever seen as disorder in popular culture. From outside perspective it looks more like a choice, especially when compared to autism, schizophrenia or mental deficiency. None of those look like choices (autism being the most debatable out of the examples).
In a colloquial sense narcissist is just a selfish asshole. When talking about horror story narcissist, sociopath and / or psychopath depictions, I’m hard pressed to feel empathy for these characters. I’m not saying they are not sick, but having a disorder doesn’t automatically make actions and motivations any more justifiable.
Fucking cry about it you gods damned narcissist.
I’m fairly young, so I used to wonder what it was like to be black or gay a few decades ago when racism was more overt. To receive open, direct abuse for a characteristic you have no control over. Even being trans, I never experienced hate so directly.
Then I self-diagnosed with NPD, and I began to meet glowing personalities such as yourself.
Cry me a fuckin’ river.
I grew up around narcissists, take your sympathy story and stuff it in a fucking sack, other people aren’t the problem and you insisting as much, as well as comparing it to sustemic bigotry at that, based on your self-diagnosis is narcissistic as fuck.
You being a narcissist is not other people’s burden, get over yourself. You are not a victim, those around you are.