Admins please remove if not appropriate. Anyone interested who can’t go, Zoom participation is apparently available. Also if you want to help someone else be able to afford to attend, you can donate on the registration form.

https://my.greens.org.au/civicrm/event/register?id=26088

  • arbilp3@aussie.zoneOPEnglish
    2·
    3 days ago

    Hey, thanks or bringing up the SocAlt because I knew nothing about them and so had a bit of a look. They don’t seem to have a lot of fans. eh.

    Anyway, I hope they are genuine socialists and not ‘packaged socialists’ because they’re no different, imv, than the Alt Right pouring out formulaic viewpoints that don’t actually help and support people.

    • MisterFrog@aussie.zoneEnglish
      2·
      3 days ago

      I’m not a member of SAlt, but the people I’ve met are very dedicated and very well-read. It’s not like they’re just regurgitating something they’ve been told to say.

      I think they sometimes can come across a bit stronger than people are used to, mostly out of a genuine desire to win you to a socialist point of view.

      I’ve personally had no reason to dislike them, and all of the criticism I’ve seen so far hasn’t really made sense to me (from a socialist perspective, I obviously know why One Nation voters wouldn’t like them, lol)

      I’m just not part of them because the requirements (mostly regarding time commitment and membership dues) from members is a bit more than I’m currently willing to do.

      I’m happy in VS (Victorian Socialists) and happy to have them around in VS.

      • stib@aus.social
        3·
        3 days ago

        @MisterFrog
        I lost any sympathy for SAlt because of their habit of repeatedly turning up to rallies like the Invasion Day march, where the organisers have specifically asked political organisations not to do any campaigning, and using them as an opportunity to flog newspapers and recruit members.
        But you know, if being lectured about Trotskyism by a Melbourne Uni student who is larping as a dangerous radical before going off to work for daddy’s law firm is your thing, get amongst it.
        @arbilp3

        • MisterFrog@aussie.zoneEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          This is a little rude to me to be honest.

          I’m not a member of SAlt, and just because you don’t like them, doesn’t mean this is remotely close to the truth: “if being lectured about Trotskyism by a Melbourne Uni student who is larping as a dangerous radical before going off to work for daddy’s law firm is your thing”

          repeatedly turning up to rallies like the Invasion Day march, where the organisers have specifically asked political organisations not to do any campaigning,

          Yeah that sounds kinda shitty if true, can agree, though I couldn’t verify this was specifically asked based on event information posted on various websites by the organisers.

          Look, you don’t have to like SAlt, but I kinda think it’s a bit over the top to extend that dislike to people part of Victorian Socialists simply by association.

          • stib@aus.social
            1·
            2 days ago

            @MisterFrog
            VicSoc is not SAlt. My criticism is of Socialist Alternative, and if you thought it was directed at you then that’s not what I intended.
            I’m impressed by how organised and active VicSoc seem to be at the moment. They’re running a great campaign in Brunswick, I hope they do well. I’m looking forward to living somewhere where the two party preferred count is between the Greens and VicSoc.

      • arbilp3@aussie.zoneOPEnglish
        2·
        3 days ago

        I’m not much of a joiner but I have joined The Greens because it seems to be the only Left political voice in parliament and I can’t see a revolution happening quite yet.

        There was a socialist group in the area I used to live in Sydney but they seemed to be so formulaic in their communication, it sounded (to me) like they were in the early twentieth century. If you can’t connect on a human level then spouting in-group speak is not going to attract people. (You are nothing like that btw.)

        I’m glad you have found a group you are happy to be with. The Left often gets caught up in in-fighting and we need to support genuine work.

        • MisterFrog@aussie.zoneEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          I have joined The Greens because it seems to be the only Left political voice in parliament and I can’t see a revolution happening quite yet.

          Yeah fair enough, I’m glad to see all left groups growing. Good on ya for getting involved.

          And as always I’m of the opinion groups should work together on topics where they agree, and I do see that happening on a number of occasions at protests/rallies that the Socialists and the Greens go to, which I think is great!

          There was a socialist group in the area I used to live in Sydney but they seemed to be so formulaic in their communication, it sounded (to me) like they were in the early twentieth century. If you can’t connect on a human level then spouting in-group speak is not going to attract people.

          Yeah this is annoying. I agree with you, personally I think (and is the main focus of VS policy) we’re most effective in our communication when we focus on the problems of today, and identify why they are (i.e. housing crisis, cost of living, etc is primarily so bad because of all the profit seeking and that’s a feature of capitalism).

          There are all sorts of people identifying as socialist out there. There’s even some people (luckily not visibly part of our party) who think China is socialist and to be emulated, which most in VS think is absurd.

          “Left infighting” exists because “the Left” really is not a monolith haha, I really can’t reconcile with people who think that Mao and Stalin were top blokes lol. We’ll just show up to the same actions from time to time where our goals align

          All the best with your launch mate :)