If the number of refugees rises significantly as it is already happening it will have an effect in time, in my view. It is just my opinion. If our governments are going to support the bombing of populations and the consequent spread of destruction over the whole ME region, it will be (and should be) our humanitarian duty to take more refugees. I hope they are planning for this and for climate change refugees from our Pacific region.

Perhaps our govt and others have stopped believing and holding to the rules-based order a long time ago. Give lip-service, yes. Do what is right by international and humanitarian law, no.

You may be interested in this video of an interview with an Iranian academic educated in the West and ex-Israeli anti-Zionist writer and activist about the current situation (well, one day ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcFD_9A_5Dg

The same sort of fear is present in the regional area where I live, where there seems to be a mind virus against renewable energy.

And who knows what will happen with the current world instability as it affects oil prices (and so the price of just about everything else), and as the number of refugees rises, and if we enter into the war. 😭

Why are you bringing off-topic countries into this thread I wonder. I’ve never mentioned Ukraine just like I never mentioned NK until you did. Why would I object to your donations to Ukraine? Civilians are suffering greatly there. I am all for protecting and aiding civilians wherever they may be.

We see the celebrating Iranians but we are not seeing any interviews with people who object to the bombing of their country. But they are there.

Pot calling the kettle black perhaps? You were a lot quicker in calling me apathetic and cold-hearted. Perhaps more experienced in this social media invective than I am.

The number of protesters reportedly killed in Iran changes depending on who is doing the reporting. The numbers of people killed by govt and external non-govt agents also changes. That should tell you that none of us really have accurate figures. What seems to be clear to me is that if this war drags on as the say it will, we are going to see deaths in the hundreds of thousands, in and outside of Iran. As if witnessing a couple of genocides and various other bombings of countries is not enough.

But you are not giving your reasons. He has been killed it has been reported. Do you think all the problems are over now and we can all go home and watch Netflix?

I can assure you I am not apathetic and I had not heard that people get executed for watching a k-drama. I don’t know if that is even true. And do you mean to say you are warm-hearted because you care about what happens in NK but are quite happy to see tens of thousands killed, if not more, by the time this war is over. People are saying it’s going to drag out.

You obviously pay attention to mainstream media. I suggest you look at other sources of information for some balance. The majority of Iranians are not happy to be bombed in order to be ‘liberated’. Remember Iraq? What’s the situation with Iraq since the war that killed about 200,000? Was that not evil? I care about Iranian civilians (and all civilians) because they have a right to their sovereignty and through this war the civilian death toll is going to be high.

Can you please give reasons?

Could you provide some examples of where this has worked?

Has the West (with some countries being excepted) actually ever tried the above combined methods? I doubt it. I am not a historian and someone else here may have examples but from what I know, since WW2 the West (US-led alliances) has attempted “regime change” in countries in most continents by coercion and violence and it has not worked, or worked for a very short time and left the occupied countries often in a worse mess than they were before.

As for North Korea, a peace has, in fact, been maintained for the last 60 years. We haven’t been at war with them, have we, nor have they been at hot war with anyone else, have they? What they do in their own country is their business. Although I’m sure if they had oil and/or rare earth minerals the West would be there attempting regime change to bring democracy and freedom to the people. On the other hand, the US has been happy to support corrupt regimes which also oppressed their peoples and they never offered to liberate them.

As if there’s not enough military violence in the world, our government has to support more? Is this the best we can do?

Thank you for that insight and info. I agree with your sentiments.

Yeah, I don’t get it either.

Perhaps but I don’ know if they’d be using these figures. I put it up to show how we’re doing compared to the rest of the world.

Many people follow the crowd and simplistic ideas, including putting blame on others (this does not happen only in Australia). Challenges with simplistic solutions are easier to understand (of course). They also reflect the ideas of people without enough political education who draw skewed conclusions from their personal experience and from their ‘crowd’ mind set. One Nation reflects these prejudices back to people and so they feel listened to, like ON is one of them and not like other politicians which present as removed from everyday reality and from ordinary people. They do not seem to understand (or perhaps want to) that Hanson is hob-knobbing with billionaires and will work in their interest because they will financially support her at election time. We must be aware of this and keep this front of mind with people considering voting for ON.

You can subscribe to Visual Capitalist and get this type of visual info regularly. I don’t know how accurate they are but they give an all-over picture which is useful. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapped-where-food-inflation-will-hit-hardest-in-2026/