But if we stayed in daylight saving time, in January the sun wouldn’t rise until like 9 am in some places.
Maybe if we just stayed in standard time all year round, the shortening days wouldn’t be so jarring to people because it would happen gradually instead of having a sudden fall back of an hour in autumn.
Or we stay in daylight saving time all year round and just accept the dark mornings.
Or the people who really don’t like shorter days in winter can just move to the equator.
In lots of places, that would mean that sunlight would be exclusive to oligarchs. The rest of us would almost never get home from work in time. I get that CEOs want early light and early darkness: we usually accept overtime when there’s no hope of catching any sunlight, unlike late light and late dark where they have to put overtime on days with bad weather.
Exactly, I do stuff after work. In the morning I just go to an office that has electric lighting.
Of course there are jobs that don’t take place in an office, but having worked one of those, in my case we already just worked daylight hours, not a 9-5.
Where I live it’s cold and dark at 7 in the winter even with standard time. All it means is the the sun starts to blind my on the way to work after the time change, which doesn’t really help. And I hate coming home in the dark so much more.
we can choose to start school/work after sunrise like sane people.
That’s the crux of the problem though, isn’t it? We don’t do that. We let psychopaths who enjoy waking up before the sun decide when everything else starts and, big surprise, they chose early as fuck.
The US House has passed a resolution to make DST permanent, so the folks who want permanent DST in the US might get their wish. But, I’m telling you, people are going to complain when their kids are having to walk to school in the pitch dark in the middle of winter.
They could follow the recommendations of the pediatrician’s group (I forgot the name) and start school at a reasonable hour so that growing kids can get enough sleep.
Yeah I have clear memories of driving to school in the dark because of the asinine concept that is zero period
EDIT: I just learned California recently passed a law preventing high schools from starting before 8:30am to combat teen sleep deprivation. Good for them
My province switched to permanent DST this year, so we’re experiencing it for the first time and it’s… not that bad 🤷
I’m in Vancouver where it’s already cloudy, and some kids were already heading to school an hour early for various extracurriculars
IMO if kids going to school in the dark is really a problem, then it should be fixed by adjusting when school starts and ends rather than changing the clock for every single person. I like having more sunlight in the afternoon when I can make use of it, compared to in the morning when it’s used up by transit / getting ready for work and school.
However I wouldn’t mind it too much if we had switched to permanent standard time either. I’m just glad that we don’t have to change anymore.
I know, I don’t want to change my clocks ever again. I’m on standard time right now where I am in the US. Unless something changes, I’ll have to change my clocks again in March, to DST. I don’t want to do that, but I’ll have to because of people like you who insist that EVERYONE must do what YOU want.
Its nice to have sun light at the end of a slave wage shift. Schools and most jobs could start later. Most studies show humans do better when there is sunlight, because its what we had for millions of years to guide us.
Well if we’re willing to change school and work schedules, why not have the slave wage shift start even earlier so that there’s even more sunlight hours during your free time? If you started your shift at midnight, you’d be coming home right about the time the sun’s coming up. Seriously. If the goal is to have as much of the winter sunlight hours line up with people’s after work time, that’d be about the best way to do it.
Day and night don’t follow our clocks. The sun shines when the sun shines, days get shorter in the winter the further you are from the equator and we just have to live and work around that.
But if we stayed in daylight saving time, in January the sun wouldn’t rise until like 9 am in some places.
Maybe if we just stayed in standard time all year round, the shortening days wouldn’t be so jarring to people because it would happen gradually instead of having a sudden fall back of an hour in autumn.
Or we stay in daylight saving time all year round and just accept the dark mornings.
Or the people who really don’t like shorter days in winter can just move to the equator.
In lots of places, that would mean that sunlight would be exclusive to oligarchs. The rest of us would almost never get home from work in time. I get that CEOs want early light and early darkness: we usually accept overtime when there’s no hope of catching any sunlight, unlike late light and late dark where they have to put overtime on days with bad weather.
Let’s do none of this and make everyone miserable!
I would way rather have a late sunrise than an early sunset. It’s not even close.
Exactly, I do stuff after work. In the morning I just go to an office that has electric lighting.
Of course there are jobs that don’t take place in an office, but having worked one of those, in my case we already just worked daylight hours, not a 9-5.
I however find it agonizing to get out of bed when it’s cold & dark outside.
Get a sunrise alarm clock. Coming from a northern region, it’s mandatory in the winter DST or ST.
Same, but i would rather have the darkness influence my work over my personal time.
I commend your enthusiasm about working. I simply cannot get out of bed when it’s cold & dark outside.
Where I live it’s cold and dark at 7 in the winter even with standard time. All it means is the the sun starts to blind my on the way to work after the time change, which doesn’t really help. And I hate coming home in the dark so much more.
Stay in DST please.
If you want to wake up an hour earlier, you can just do that. We don’t need to fuck with the clocks.
DST is ridiculous. The sun should be near its zenith at noon, not at 1.
Please tell my job that I can come in an hour later every day.
Yeah, this is my conclusion as well. It literally does not matter what the time is; we can choose to start school/work after sunrise like sane people.
Might as well fall back one more time, leaving an entire generation with an extra hour of sleep that is never taken away again.
That’s the crux of the problem though, isn’t it? We don’t do that. We let psychopaths who enjoy waking up before the sun decide when everything else starts and, big surprise, they chose early as fuck.
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The US House has passed a resolution to make DST permanent, so the folks who want permanent DST in the US might get their wish. But, I’m telling you, people are going to complain when their kids are having to walk to school in the pitch dark in the middle of winter.
Around here, kids go to school in the dark in the winter regardless if it is DST or ST.
They could follow the recommendations of the pediatrician’s group (I forgot the name) and start school at a reasonable hour so that growing kids can get enough sleep.
Yeah I have clear memories of driving to school in the dark because of the asinine concept that is zero period
EDIT: I just learned California recently passed a law preventing high schools from starting before 8:30am to combat teen sleep deprivation. Good for them
My province switched to permanent DST this year, so we’re experiencing it for the first time and it’s… not that bad 🤷
I’m in Vancouver where it’s already cloudy, and some kids were already heading to school an hour early for various extracurriculars
IMO if kids going to school in the dark is really a problem, then it should be fixed by adjusting when school starts and ends rather than changing the clock for every single person. I like having more sunlight in the afternoon when I can make use of it, compared to in the morning when it’s used up by transit / getting ready for work and school.
However I wouldn’t mind it too much if we had switched to permanent standard time either. I’m just glad that we don’t have to change anymore.
To hell with the kids, I want to live too.
Why can’t you live on permanent standard time?
Because it’s dark when I go to work, and dark when I leave work.
Then pick up an earlier shift, or move to Ecuador. Why do the rest of us have to adjust our clocks to accommodate you?
The week after time change is the week with the highest heart attack rate and most car accidents. It’s dumb as shit.
I know, I don’t want to change my clocks ever again. I’m on standard time right now where I am in the US. Unless something changes, I’ll have to change my clocks again in March, to DST. I don’t want to do that, but I’ll have to because of people like you who insist that EVERYONE must do what YOU want.
Its nice to have sun light at the end of a slave wage shift. Schools and most jobs could start later. Most studies show humans do better when there is sunlight, because its what we had for millions of years to guide us.
Well if we’re willing to change school and work schedules, why not have the slave wage shift start even earlier so that there’s even more sunlight hours during your free time? If you started your shift at midnight, you’d be coming home right about the time the sun’s coming up. Seriously. If the goal is to have as much of the winter sunlight hours line up with people’s after work time, that’d be about the best way to do it.
Day and night don’t follow our clocks. The sun shines when the sun shines, days get shorter in the winter the further you are from the equator and we just have to live and work around that.
They’re not going to pass it by January when the new Congress starts.