I hate the phrase “Made with AI” for many nested reasons. Some of which:
“AI” is a meaningless buzzword now.
“Made” to what extent? That could be anything line autocompletion to spammy vibecoding, from invisible diffusion prototyping/editing to horrific in-game visuals.
The tone is “Twitter accusatory.” It ropes in innocent, minimal tool usage with full-on spammers, with zero nuance.
Its a red herring for the fundamental issue: waves of games being spammy slop, which was a huge issue even before “AI.”
It also discounts the other ethical issues we were grappling with. If we are going to talk ethics, are we just going to forget what companies like EA or Blizzard and such have done?
This needs to be discussed like a spectrum, and whether the intent is malicious. Not as a purity test of “was any AI used making this game?”
Or the software stacks the gamers are running, for that matter. The APIs, the platforms… as examples, do people really think Valve isn’t using LLMs to develop Steam? Or Nvidia/AMD/Intel/Microsoft for their graphics stacks?
And I don’t mean that as a hostile “you participate in society?” thing, just that it’s inconsistent to judge “AI or no AI” as black and white.
That seems to leave room for fully vibe coded apps as long as it’s made with real thought and effort. Some of the anti-AI absolutists are going to have a problem with that.
I’ve always interpreted it as not actually typing any of the code yourself. At least that seems to be the way people that are angry about it are using it.
I hate the phrase “Made with AI” for many nested reasons. Some of which:
“AI” is a meaningless buzzword now.
“Made” to what extent? That could be anything line autocompletion to spammy vibecoding, from invisible diffusion prototyping/editing to horrific in-game visuals.
The tone is “Twitter accusatory.” It ropes in innocent, minimal tool usage with full-on spammers, with zero nuance.
Its a red herring for the fundamental issue: waves of games being spammy slop, which was a huge issue even before “AI.”
It also discounts the other ethical issues we were grappling with. If we are going to talk ethics, are we just going to forget what companies like EA or Blizzard and such have done?
This needs to be discussed like a spectrum, and whether the intent is malicious. Not as a purity test of “was any AI used making this game?”
Steam don’t count code generation, it’s mainly the art they flag
I am also very tired of dunking witches to see if they float like ducks because they are made of wood.
Also, do we include dependencies too?
Because if we do… then almost every game is “Made with AI”, given now glibc has AI authored code in it too.
Or the software stacks the gamers are running, for that matter. The APIs, the platforms… as examples, do people really think Valve isn’t using LLMs to develop Steam? Or Nvidia/AMD/Intel/Microsoft for their graphics stacks?
And I don’t mean that as a hostile “you participate in society?” thing, just that it’s inconsistent to judge “AI or no AI” as black and white.
That’s what we call dependencies
I fully support tagging the slop deluge with “Made with AI”.
It helps separate the low effort garbage from the artisan garbage
What is slop, though? What’s your definition?
Copy paste output without validation and/or effort.
That’s a good definition, in fact I am bookmarking that to remember later.
Slop is just low effort in my view.
So if you just generate with ai without any real thought, thats slop because it is low effort.
The people posting just the “never slop” kitto are low effort too.
That seems to leave room for fully vibe coded apps as long as it’s made with real thought and effort. Some of the anti-AI absolutists are going to have a problem with that.
Fuck absolutist in general and under any circumstances.
What does vibe coded mean to you?
As I understand vibe coded means just pressing enter without checking the code and understanding it?
I’ve always interpreted it as not actually typing any of the code yourself. At least that seems to be the way people that are angry about it are using it.
For me it doesn’t matter if you type it as long as you understand it and it makes sense how it is written.
I can get behind that definition.
Thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion. At this point LLMs are more insightful than you are.
…U mad bro?
I mean yeah, the person you’re replying to made it pretty clear they resent you
Which I agree with, you might as well be a bot
I was just trolling a little by copying someone else’s thread, no bad blood here.
Are you serious?
Thanks for contributing nothing to the discussion. At this point LLMs are more insightful than you are.
Someone PWEASE think of the clankers’ feelings PWEEEEEASE 🥺
FWIW it wasted a few moments of my time wondering what point they were trying to make.
This reply is time well spent, that’s totally different.
Some shitposting will be easy to catch, funny, digestible & smart while being absolute worthless.
Some shitposting will be bad, some will be good.
But if anything, we can always count on it being shit 🫡
U mad bro?