All it took was a Taiwanese billionaire tech mogul sticking his dick where he shouldn’t. At this point, im willing to crowdfund his prostitutes.
All it took was a Taiwanese billionaire tech mogul sticking his dick where he shouldn’t. At this point, im willing to crowdfund his prostitutes.
Well how deep do you want to go?
Because one way or another, people seeing “eating meat” as not being a moral issue either don’t understand the moral implications of it (industrial livestock farming for the most part) or don’t care about it, and I suspect cognitive dissonance is doing the heavy lifting in the latter case.
People eat meat because they don’t value animal lives like human lives. You can make a moral argument against that, and you’d have a good case for it, but it’s not cognitively dissonant.
Yep, but I have yet to find a single person that would way that eating meat is not a moral issue if they know about industrial livestock farming.
I know about industrial livestock farming and don’t believe eating meat is a moral issue. I believe the way we treat livestock is absolutely a moral issue (as well as an ecological and health issue), but not the actual eating of meat
Yeah we can split hairs all day, but you just agreed. Eating meat, 95% of the time, includes how we treat livestock.
In a survey, if they ask me if I think murder is a moral issue, I won’t say no because I am thinking of self-defence. Abortion is a moral non issue, because most abortions are accidental. Good talk.
Again, lots of them know, they just don’t care. Many people just do not care about non-human animal suffering.
Yes, but my point is they would see industrial livestock farming if they knew the issues it raised. I have yet to see anybody show me how industrial livestock farming, which is behind almost all instances of “eating meat”, is not a moral issue.
They don’t care. I don’t think you are wrong for caring, just that you aren’t being realistic. The life of a chicken has little value for 99% of people.
Everyone has a line between life that’s of value and life that isn’t. For some people chickens aren’t on the same side as them, for some nothing is on the same side as them. There are extremes that are easy to consider insane or immoral, but things start to get different shades of grey once you get away from the edges.
It is exactly my point, no?
It’s more about them either not knowing about it or choosing to pretend it isn’t happening. Everyone knows. Actually, I think people care more about the environmental impacts than what the animals go through. It sucks but it is what it is.
You do understand that my point was that it was either ignorance or cognitive dissonance and you made this comment to explain exactly that to me?
My point is that it’s neither. They know and they aren’t pretending the animals are okay, it’s just that most people don’t give importance to the plight of a chicken.
It’s a problem for you and not for them because your morals are completely different, not because you “know the truth”.
As a meat eater I do care, although it’s partly because meat tastes better from happy animals. I do think factory farming is immoral due to the treatment of the animals, though, it’s just a 2 birds one stone thing.
It’s absolutely a “know the truth” situation though. People wouldn’t do to their pets what they pay people to do to other sentient beings that can do exactly what their pets can. Let me revise my first statement then : it’s either ignorance, cognitive dissonance or cruelty. And I can’t stand either of them.
It’s just the last one. Everyone knows factory farms are horror shows but bacon without the horror either doesn’t taste as good or costs too much.
I was going to become vegan if I couldn’t handle personally raising and slaughtering an animal. Turns out… I can. The first time I killed a goat, one of the other goats gave birth to twins at the same time. I had a moment… individuals die, but the herd persists. These goats eat a bunch of naturally occurring grass and weeds. I can totally ice one and turn him into tacos a couple of times a year and it’s pretty much environmentally neutral. Absolutely morally neutral
You are just contributing to my point. See all the conditions you needed to have net to consider eating meat morally neutral there? Yeah, doesn’t apply to industrial livestock farming.
I think the issue is more about the quality of life before the slaughtering. Your hand raised goats probably have a pretty good life, goat wise.
Aren’t you the guy that criticises parents for feeding their children meat despite having no kids or any background in pediatric nutrition?
What? Nope. Even if I was, what is your point? What if pediatric nutritionists told you children don’t need meat to be fit and healthy?
Well, I had a similar argument with another vegan user whose avatar was similar to yours, and my pediatrician recommended we give our kid more liver so…
Well you can Google it, it’s actually easy to give a vegan diet to kids from infancy where people care about selling the alternatives, but I understand some societies that are too reliant on meat products and kids with absorption issues, it doesn’t make it a moral non-issue still, and I sure have not had a single pediatric nutritionist talk to me about liver lol