I woke up to the news of DOJ raiding Jon Bolton’s house and as I skimmed through the article, saw the rich quote from man with perpetual deer in headlights face Kash Patel say “NO ONE is above the law.” Pssshhhh it’s all so farcical.
But anyway any current U.S. law students or professors out there? What is being taught currently given the obvious flouting of the laws by our highest arms of government? What’s con law like? Yeesh! Genuinely curious. Now excuse me while I melt away down our slide into fascism. Sigh.
CRT was meant for law school, not for K-12, or even normal college courses, and people were all got thier panties in a wad.
For what it is worth, I took a constitutional law course in the latter part of Obama’s second term.
The professor spent a lot of time talking about the accretion of power to the executive branch and very clearly posited that it was a certainty that we would have an issue with authoritarianism in the near future. I remember sitting in class (naively) thinking he was overstating the problem.
Good news though, that same professor has made a lot of headway in eliminating qualified immunity in a few states.Interesting. Yea as much as I stated that I think the general (U.S.) populace has gotten way dumber, I am reminded that there are still a TON of smart people willing to fight the good fight. It’s just gotten a LOT harder to broadcast their smart ideas to the masses in a compelling way when we’ve all got the attention span of gerbils and we’re this close to airing “Ouch My Balls” from Idiocracy for real.
Gotten dumber? We’re they smarter when they thought recessions would never happen again and led to the great recession? Or the fucktards supporting Reagan? Or trashing on Vietnam vets as they returned? Or fighting against Civil rights? Or McCarthyism?
I could keep going back. We’ve always had stupid and evil.
Yeah, “people used to be better” has been a popular sentiment since Socrates, at least.
It occurs to me that generally speaking, the majority of people are good and don’t try to accumulate power beyond their needs, while bad people are few but accumulate as much power as possible across multiple generations. Perhaps the half-life of a given empire or civilization is just how long it takes the few to accumulate enough power to fuck everything and cause a reset.
I’ve “enjoyed” the podcast What Trump can teach us about Con Law with constitutional law professor Elizabeth Joh. It’s really not fun, but it IS interesting.
Throughout his first term and starting again this term, they’ve been talking about the historical basis for presidential powers and stuff, and how we never actually had any rules - only guidelines and gentleman’s agreements.
If interesting, will have to check it out. Aka it’s Roman Mars huh? I’ve enjoyed my fair share of 99pi although it’s been a while.
Hopefully Roman can stick to the monthly schedule and not go offline for years at a time again
Agreed. For that matter, I don’t know that he adds a ton to the show (besides creating, hosting, and producing it!)
What are they teaching is public schools, at that rate? It sounds like it’s always been kind of weird and propagandistic overall, but the republic breaking apart at the seams has to make things even more complicated. Do civics classes just cut off at 2000 or something?
What civic classes? We don’t get those in Oklahoma. Yeah you don’t want to know what they are trying to teach our kids. I will glad when my youngest son graduates this year and I don’t have to listen to the bullshit the school districts here are trying to force on our kids.
Also glad my kids don’t listen to the nonsense and trust in what I have to say
LOL, best government teacher I ever had was in Tulsa. Overall, she wasn’t great as a teacher, but rather than teaching so much to the letter of the law, she taught how it works out in real life.
I’ll never forget her talking about all the ways, despite the low pay, our Congressmen rake, even well within the law!
Oh shit, I didn’t see your comment before I made my comment mentioning Oklahoma. Sounds like you are in the dead center of the BS. Was it so bad when you were in school too or has it gotten markedly worse? Would love to hear first-hand about Oklahoma schooling beyond what I read in the headlines.
I could just send you the emails Ryan Walter’s sends us parents if you want to know the hell we live through. And it gets worse every week. Myself I went to school in Texas, and actually it was pretty good. Of course we had a Democratic Governor when I was in school. Plus I remember actually learning things. That also was before they only taught to the test the way they teach now.
My condolences…yikes. Are the other board members trying to hold him accountable at all? I mean for all I know they like what he’s doing professionally but I recall that even they were against ummm checks notes watching porn during an official board meeting…
That was all they cared about, far has the rest it’s full steam ahead.
Really? It’s not a thing in Canada either, or at least my region of it. We have “social studies” which combines history and present social concerns.
Yes that we had growing up in Texas.
I live a liberal city, and was in public school just a few years ago. They mostly do teach the true ugly history of slavery and genocide. For civics, they do teach about constitution and impeachments, in fact, we as a class analyzed many of the boring parts of the constitution anx declaration of independence, and I had to memorize and write out the preamble of the constitution on a test. There aren’t much that’s censored.
And they also taught about different political systems, and oh boy, once they mentioned socialism and commmunism, they immediately alluded to the soviet union. Which isn’t that surprising since, you know, status-quo liberals.
TLDR: Censorship, not really. Biased teachers, yes, absolutely. Capitalism is always good, anything socialist or communist is soviet union, russia, or china (which is a gross misrepresentation on the ideology)
P.S. One teacher did briefly mentioned Germany and that nazi flags are illegal in modern day Germany and there was a class discussion about it, it was sort of divided, the teacher kinda implied they supported banning nazi flags, but of course, the US Constitution wouldn’t allow that to happen. So the concept of free speech absolutism is kinda being debated, athough I think a lot of my peers at the time supported free speech absolutism, at least when it comes to laws.
Is there any specific questions you would like to ask about my liberal city public school? (I’m not gonna name the city, just the fact that its not in a red state)
they do teach all that in the early 2000s, but they gloss over it pretty quickly.
What did they teach about the Trump stuff? A lot of things are happening, or not happening but widely believed to be happening, that aren’t supposed to. Did they discuss the possibility that traditional system of government might not survive?
Was already out of school during the second term. During the first term, there weren’t much of the current blatant constitutional violations. But they did talk about the impeachments, the fact that only 3 presidents have been impeached, the process of impeachements, etc… (most of school was Before Jan 6)
But during the final year of high school, it was after Jan 6, and they did talk about January 6 and the fact that trump’s speech to supporters right before the Jan 6 Capitol Attack was the cause of the Riot, that was the term one of the teachers used, it was either referred to as “Attack on the capitol” or “Riot”, they did mention that “Some have called it a ‘Insurrection’ or ‘Coup’”, but the teachers (at least the teacher I had) never used the term themselves, but only mentioned those terms in reference to the other people using those terms (see: Use–mention distinction), its just “Riot” being the main term. And they did call out the fact that trump’s accusations on voter fraud is false.
TLDR: They called out trump’s lies, and they said it was trump’s actions that caused Jan 6, but never used terms like “treason” or “coup” when they refer to trump’s actions.
Well, we’re seeing a lot of that go down the drain currently and it’s scary. However we’re such a huge country, I think our public schools will vary state by state, school district by school district really. There’s been a concerted effort by the right to get on school boards and influence curriculum. It’s a lot more out in the open now with Prager U BS. See latest ridiculous headlines of how slavery shouldn’t be taught so negatively (Uhhhhhhhhhhh). A lot of Christianity trying to be infused into classrooms, proposals to display 10 commandments, banned books etc. Meanwhile same school district supervisors being caught watching porn during these board meetings! Sigh. This was like in Oklahoma which man I feel for Oklahomans. Meanwhile, where I live, I don’t fear so much for that kind of curriculum cause I’m in a place Trump would probably call a crime infested shithole (it’s not) and schools display the progress flag and respect pronouns and such. But man I don’t know if the numbers are in our favor and the general populace HAS gotten dumber I swear…
All the intricate rules of Calvinball.
Nothing is true. Everything is permitted. Payments up front.
Hopefully that the law is irrelevant and the Constitution is toilet paper.
Why would you hope for that?
Not to answer for him but I took his reply to simply mean that he hoped they were being honest in their teachings.
that quote stood out to me also… good job destroying the last shred of responsibility the FBI had
Probably that the law is applied very inconsistently
Raiding a former presidents house with orders to shoot to kill? Just fine, no problem
Raiding some former security advisors house? Absurd! Constitutional crisis!
Unbelievable.
