Prominent women including cultural figures, politicians and campaigners have signed a letter criticising rightwing attempts to link sexual violence in Britain to asylum seekers.
Signatories include the musicians Paloma Faith, Charlotte Church and Anoushka Shankar as well as Labour, Green and independent MPs including Kim Johnson, Ellie Chowns, Diane Abbott and Zarah Sultana.
"We reject the far right’s racist lies about ‘protecting’ women and girls. They are not defenders of women – they exploit violence against women to fuel hate and division,” the letter says.
The open letter, titled Women Against the Far Right, follows a surge in protests outside accommodation housing asylum seekers and far-right attempts to exploit a number of cases of alleged sexual crimes involving asylum seekers.
Signed by; Leftist women from good neighbourhoods.
…how convenient for them.
So, exactly what qualifications are necessary to speak out against prejudice?
So you believe the world is a monoculture? That the entire world shares the same views of sex and gender relations, the same crime statistics everywhere, the same milquetoast liberal mindsets are held across all lands…
…and saying otherwise is “prejudice”.
Or basically you think the studies are wrong, and that the “behavioural barriers” mentioned in those studies are just a product of Westerns judging the crimes too harshly:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666776223001503
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6165364/
All issues are class issues, and they only become subject to rightwing populism when ruling leftist elites CHOOSE to disconnect from working class realities in favour of elitism and denial.
Your prejudice is the erasure of all cultural and economic differences. That’s the prejudice you’re practicing.
Holy straw man, Batman!
Biff! Pow! Bang!
You are clearly defending a prejudice viewpoint. Go on with your bad self, or what the fuck ever. But you can right fuck off with putting words in my mouth to justify your bullshit.
Just so we’re clear, those are all your words, your arguments, your bullshit.
You claimed it was a matter of prejudice.
I presented studies.
Now you’re playing rehortorical games rather than responding with an argument.
Society only overcomes issues by processing them, don’t shirk your part in that process.
That’s rich coming from someone who’s literally spewing xenophobic and politically tribal stereotypes about “good neighborhoods” and “left wing elites” in response to a simple objection to racist demagoguery.
Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people, which does NOT justify the “immigrants are coming to rape our women” hate speech that the women in the article are objecting to.
You’ve just thrown RACE into the conversation here, I said it was cultural and socioeconomic.
How are studies tribalism? Also I’m a leftist, I’m just also aware there are out of touch leftwing elites (writing denialist letters in this case).
No one said otherwise! Sorry, what’s your argument? That it doesn’t count as rape if immigrant men rape immigrant women? That’s disgusting dude.
No asshole, of course that still counts as rape. Of course that’s part of the higher amounts of SA and SV in those communities. I don’t know why you needed to be shown studies to admit that.
Of course leftist elites aren’t going to recognize that, and are going to try to pretend it’s not true - like you were doing.
I take it you’re no longer claiming it’s “just prejudice” to point this stuff out? That you see a problem with not addressing increased rape stats now - and that not addressing and contextualizing gives the far right something to gripe about?
At least admit that much. I’m so sick of leftwingers denying problems. It’s a politics of willful blindness and denialism sometimes. Easy to do for professionals at the top end of town.
No, that’s asinine. My point is that the anti-immigant rhetoric has nothing to do with protecting immigrants from being raped and everything to do with falsely portraying immigrant men as inherently likely to commit rape.
I didn’t say or even imply anything to the contrary. You can pack away your weird strawman now.
Immigrant women being victims ≠ immigrant men being the perpetrators. To imply that immigration leads to rape is like implying that black people existing leads to killer cops.
I didn’t. In fact, I never suggested otherwise, see above.
Again, that’s not what’s happening here.
The “leftist elites" are objecting to demagogues exploiting the very real problem of sexual violence against women (of which none of them nor I have denied that immigrant women are disproportionately the victims) as a way to further demonize and persecute immigrants.
Prejudice, conflating victims and perpetrators, or both. Take your pick.
Nobody’s arguing for doing that.
That’s the POINT: the far right are putting it in a false context for their own disinformation campaigns and you’re doing something similar for different reasons.
Meanwhile, the “leftist elites” are simply saying that demonizing and scapegoating immigrants doesn’t help any victims and is MUCH more likely to cause MORE immigrants to be assaulted by native born people who are taught to dehumanize them.
Saying that the fascists are blaming the wrong people is not denying that there are problems.
Nobody’s denying anything. At least none of the people you’re accusing of it are.
I don’t think you being reactionary to a far-right whose not present here, or the letter writers trying to preach to the far-right from a “corrective left” perspective of professionals in the top end of town works.
It’s hot air. The far-right aren’t going to read the edicts past down from on high and see the error of their ways. It’s a totally pipe dream leftism that assumes “being a scold” does anything but push people right.
I mean take yourself - you couldn’t even handle my original comment pointing that out. Look at all the time we’ve wasted here just because you had an “I’ve detected prejudice” error.
This is just all the stuff the left gets wrong, that feeds into the far-right populism. We need an alternative ti being scolds.
One of the studies you cited is about asylum-seeking women being sexually assaulted after arriving in France…
Have you just searched for “migrants sexual violence” and linked whatever you can find without reading them…
I don’t get people pretending that’s not still rape. These things are still applicable, the UK isn’t a special exception.
yeah?? nobody’s saying it’s not?? so you are saying we need to protect the immigrants and give them more support? I’m all for that.
Yes, what’s more sex crimes tend to be “crimes of opportunity” - or to frame that idea differently - “crimes of circumstance”… And those circumstances tend to be created by a lack of money, lack of education, and an abdication of responsibility from those in charge.
Okay, I am discombobulated, you have discombobulated me. What was the point you were arguing for? Obviously I wasn’t getting it.
That the letter writing is a form of elite leftist denialism of the issues.
That it’s essentially covering over that there are issues to be discussed here, in favour of going after “the right” and trying to scold ones enemies rather than actually look into the issues (which I’m claiming are cultural and economic).
You know, sometimes it’s better to conceed than it is to alienate and deny.
“Results: Evidence shows that SV is highly frequent in MARs in Europe, yet comparison with other groups is still difficult. Methodologically and ethically sound representative studies comparing between populations are still lacking.”
You are just linking studies because you see some numbers and you think it supports the story in your head. These people are aware of the nuances and difficulties of confounders and they don’t make any of the baseless claims you are making. All they are saying is “there is high incidence of rape among immigrant females and we should help them by improving reception practices”. They even say any over reaching conclusions are wrong. And yet here you are, undermining the work of these authors by fabricating conclusions that don’t exist in the papers. I suspect you don’t even read the conclusion, or anything beyond the title. And if you are, then you are just discussing in bad faith. In any case you don’t seem to be here for a genuine scientific discussion so don’t try to use science to support your claims, it feels insincere.
Yeah. The truth is, a lot of these immigrants have very problematic attitudes towards women, to put it mildly.
This is rather tone deaf.
Is that the truth?
Or is it the truth that in every western country most sexual crime is committed by a man close to the victim?
Would you rather trust a priest or an imam with you children?
Immigrants are vastly more likely to be VICTIMS of sexual violence than perpetrators.
Conservative men have very problematic attitudes toward immigrant women and women in general, to put it mildly.
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