• FreedomAdvocate
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    2 days ago

    “I walked among those who want me gone from Australia”

    No, they just want to temporarily stop letting more people into Australia until we can house and provide for the people we currently have, yourself included.

    Why are so many people having a hard time understanding this?

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      Why are so many people having a hard time understanding this?

      Because its the same as blaming immigrants for Aldi running out of some Wednesday special, one thing has nothing to do with the other, so suspicion then falls to racism being the real motivation because no sane person blames the housing shortage on immigrants.

      It’s a managed, restricted supply thats the issue, compounded by dipshit voters reelecting the asshat polticans who cause it, rather then giving politcans who want to solve it a go eg The Greens.

      We punish the homeless, protect the investor and blame the immigrants, talk about ass backwards.

      https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/migrants-are-not-to-blame-for-soaring-house-prices/

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        So bringing in even 1000 more people every day, who need places to live, gas nothing to do with making housing availability worse?

        So increasing demand while keeping supply the same, when there is a massive supply shortage, has no effect on availability?

        What caused the problem isn’t the issue now. Why can none of you get this simple thing through your head?

        If the bath is overflowing you turn off the tap.

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      @FreedomAdvocate
      Immigrants aren’t the cause of the housing crisis, speculators are. The fact that you obviously haven’t got the slightest clue about what actually drives the crisis tells us all that you don’t really give a shit about housing, but you think you can use it to pretend that you’re not a fucking bigot.
      @Davriellelouna

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        No one said that immigrants caused the housing crisis. You’re arguing against something no one is saying.

        Immigration is making the housing crisis worse and worse every single day.

        Do you understand the difference?

        We want immigration to be temporarily paused until we can fix the crises, get policies and things in place so it doesn’t happen again, and then we can unpause immigration. How does that make me a “fucking bigot” exactly?

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      What if I told you we could feed and house everyone now, the rich just don’t want to. If that’s what these people really cared about, they would have been marching against the stage 3 tax cuts. They’re racist nazis and can all bugger off.

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        The stage 3 cuts that meant more lower income earners are better off? Why would they protest those?

        Keep calling everyone Nazis, it worked out well for the democrats. I’m sure it’ll work out well for you too.

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          Thanks for confirming you’re a fucking idiot. Stage 3 literally did nothing for low income earners.

          And they’re problem is they fell for disingenuous nazi fucktards like yourself, who think they’re smart by reading from the nazi troll handbook.

          There is no middle ground, just horrible, dumb little shits like you, that are stupid enough to keep trying to pull everything to the right. Hope that taste of billionaire cock in your mouth keeps you happy when it’s your turn for them to grind you up, because you’re no longer useful to them.

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      That’s the line racist people love to go with.

      It falls apart when you suggest spending a ton of cash on social welfare programs to help those locals and get told “well, no actually”.

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        Ah so you’re just going to pretend that the very real reason is a fake used by racists, simply because you have no actual reason to disagree with it and because it’s not actually racist. Gotcha.

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            It’s almost like people fall for the mainstream media’s propaganda, right? Like, oh I don’t know, increasing demand for housing while not increasing supply having no impact on availability? Or more demand doesn’t drive prices up? Or these marches and everyone at them being neo-nazi racists rather than people who want our government to actually fix these problems?

            No, no, I’m sure the mainstream government controlled media that you guys are agreeing with are right. They’re the good guys.

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      I mean, some literal quotes in the article, if they are real, kinda contradict you.

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        Some people at the pro-Palestine rally’s shouted death to Australia, etc - does that mean everyone there thinks that?

        The overwhelming majority of people there were there because they demand that our government does the most obvious, easy, and impactful thing that they can do to try and address the housing crisis and the cost of living crisis - pause immigration. They don’t want all immigrants kicked out. They don’t want to round them up and kill them. They want a temporary pause on immigration until we can get everything under some semblance of control.

        There are other immigration based issues too, such as rate of crime and lack of assimilation, and those are very real too, but they are secondary to the immigration numbers being unsustainable.

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          Did they organise it? Were the organisers/spokespeople/speakers actual, textbook, members of a Hamas-adjacent group?

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            The organisers of the Australia ones weren’t neo Nazis.

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              There were exceptions to the rule, but taken as a whole, the organisers of the Australia ones were neo-Nazis and related cryptofascists. This was well-known in advance.


              The Melbourne rally literally used Thomas Sewell’s own podium that you can see in their own NSN videos.

              The Townsville rally used the NSN’s branded megaphone, Katter says there was no other one there.

              The Sydney organiser, Bec Freedom, is a white nationalist with strong links to the NSN. Before the rally, it was well-publicised that they were a white nationalist in conversations with neo-Nazis. 1+1.

              “There’s a lot of people trying to claim the rally as their own and turn it into a unity march,” Freedom said. “I understand why some people are saying it’s not about race. Though people like that … they’re scared. But if we break it down, this is how I tried to explain it to somebody. I said, OK, so protect Australian heritage, culture, way of life. Next step, protect European culture, heritage, way of life. The next step is protect white heritage."

              ‘Auspill’, one of the earliest and central promoters has strong known links to the NSN and creates memes supporting esoteric Nazism concepts like Hyperborea. In a word, Auspill is a Nazi.

              The main March for Australia website originally had and then redacted a call for the neo-Nazi wolf-whistle of ‘remigration’, you can see this in archived copies of the website and it was widely reported. The rally Facebook page consistently and repeatedly advocated for including the NSN at the march and downplayed them.

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                The marches were organised by different people in every state.

                Also that “journalism” is typical garbage. “Links between” based on a few words on a single point on a website lol

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                  Okay if you have your mind made up and think that the protest was transparent about its agenda, you do you idk what else to tell you.

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      I wish that was all that it was, a lot of those marches were pretty heavily coopted by some incredibly racist people though and they’re pretty tarnished as a result. The neo Nazis showing up in force sorta drove that point home.

      I think that our immigration rate is too high, but those protests in particular didn’t really contain themselves to just that issue.

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        The “neo Nazis” were told to fuck off in most of the marches, actually. No one wanted them there. I believe it was only the Sydney one that let one of them speak, and the organisers were rightly derided for doing so.

        Just because some bad people try to co-opt something it doesn’t mean that they were bad people protests. The overwhelming majority of people there were there for the stated reasons, none of which were racist or “neo nazi”.

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            That’s not how it works when the march isn’t for Nazis and wasn’t about Nazi policies. If Nazis tag along and try to co-opt it then unless they’re breaking any laws there’s nothing you can do other then ask them to leave.

            Btw how many Nazis does it take jumping into a march that isn’t about them and their policies before everyone magically turns into a Nazi? 1? 5? Is it a fixed number or a percentage? What other terrible groups does this apply to? Hamas supporters? Pedos?

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          Results were wildly different in different rallies. For example, in Sydney, the crowd was about 50:50 on boos and cheers for the neo-Nazi speaker. This is very different to Adelaide where the organisers rightfully (albeit far too late) tried to deplatform the NSN once they took to the stage and spewed their garbage, leading to a fight and the end of the event.

          I believe it was only the Sydney one that let one of them speak

          They owned the only microphone being used at the Townsville rally and they owned the podium used in the Melbourne rally with widely-used footage of Sewer speaking there. So you have to be pretty out of the loop if you honestly believe that.

          Just because some bad people try to co-opt something it doesn’t mean that they were bad people protests. The overwhelming majority of people there were there for the stated reasons, none of which were racist or “neo nazi”.

          We can’t generalise everyone, you’re right that a majority probably wouldn’t have supported neo-Nazis, many in larger rallies may not have seen them there before they took the stage, and plenty of attendees I wouldn’t consider to be racists, even if they’re expressing or supporting racist rhetoric. But this doesn’t change the fact that most of them attended a racist rally and should understand that and learn for next time this nationalist cover is tried.

          It was co-opted before 99% of the people going there even heard of it. It was well-publicised in advance that many organisers were known neo-Nazis and white supremacists. The official promotions kept posting racist rhetoric about Indians, framing European immigration as acceptable. At the end of the day, it was largely a neo-Nazi attempt to appeal to broader nationalists, with some, limited, success. There were plenty of cheers among the boos during their speeches. “The overwhelming majority” didn’t fuck off or fight back once literal Nazis took the stage, and in most cases, kept the stage for the whole speech.

          The anti-immigration rhetoric, that the housing crisis is caused or heavily impacted by immigration, is a racist deflection of real economic issues. I’m not suggesting that people repeating the argument are racists, or even that they realise it’s a racist argument. It’s a very normalised argument and once even promoted by Labor politicians and mass media. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s racism being used to deflect the housing crisis, the education crisis, the hospital crisis and more away from the government and the owning class. Stopping migration won’t even begin to solve those issues.

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            Stopping immigration temporarily means the problem doesn’t keep getting worse and worse every day because we then wouldn’t be bringing in even 500 more people per day who need somewhere to live.

            I honestly don’t know how most of the people in here even manage to make it through a day without accidentally killing themselves lol. Everyone seems incapable of understanding simple concepts like supply and demand, or turning off the tap when the bath gets full.

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        This happened at like 1 of the marches the other day, they were told to fuck off from all the others.