Just focusing on one thing specifically here: Your grievance here (and others grievances with him) aren’t really with Jordan at this point, but with the inability or unwillingness of lemmy.world to act. Jordan’s behaviour and positions are well known. Him against the world. He won’t budge. It really is up to lemmy.world now.
In theory, lemmy/piefed etc systems are far better for mod accountability on this score because instance owners and admins are far closer to the community than reddit admins. I can tell you also that atomicpoet, for instance, making this decision didn’t come out of a vacuum on this point.
Yeah, true that. If I had to engage in rampant speculation, I would say there are two possibilities:
There isn’t somebody else who’s willing to put in the thankless work day after day to keep the big LW communities free of actually-objectionable content for free, and so they’re basically stuck with Jordan whether or not he is doing a good job
There are some moderators who want to make quieter but much more explicitly malicious moderation, and it’s kind of nice that Jordan can be a lightning-rod for mod criticism and cause a smokescreen of drama while they’re doing that, so people heavily advocate for keeping him on behind the scenes in some way
Either or both might be true. Like people said in the original Jordan complainfest thread, they’ve known about this for literally years at this point, so I agree it seems a little unlikely that things would change now. Kaplan tried to say that new information has come to light now which is leading them to re-evaluate, but that’s honestly not really all that credible to me. I don’t really know, but if I had to guess I would guess that they’ll keep him on just because whatever structural issues led to them keeping him on in the past just haven’t changed that I am aware of.
I can tell you also that atomicpoet, for instance, making this decision didn’t come out of a vacuum on this point.
Clearly lol. If anything it is a strong point in piefed.social’s favor, is that they’re willing to exercise common sense and take action about dumb behavior by their moderators.
And also, if this becomes a big enough issue - there should be a groundswell effort to dethrone the communities that Jordan moderates and supplant them, This can happen here.
I generally fuck with !politics@beehaw.org and !world@quokk.au, they seem a lot more sensible and enjoyable than the lemmy.world equivalents. Honestly every time I enter into the big-world-event communities on lemmy.world I wind up quickly regretting it just because they are so full of hostile objectionable people who are shouting bad opinions (which of course Jordan does nothing about in the course of his relentless quest to stop people changing headlines or being mean to trolls.)
!politics@sh.itjust.works is mod posting only though, last I checked. Also the mod seems like they might have some kind of strict opinions about what’s allowed (there is a post on YPTB about them right now, I haven’t really looked to see if there is anything valid to it but I do remember posting stories there way back when and the mod having requests about my posting that seemed somewhat arbitrary to me. Not really anything wrong or PTB, it was just kind of annoying and eventually I went somewhere else.)
To me I think refusing to federate with lemmy.world is a positive, not a negative. I haven’t really noticed anything lacking because of the LW users not being involved in the comments aside from a whole bunch of noise and hostility.
LW is still a third of the whole userbase, SJW is in the top 5 instances, for an alternative community to emerge it needs to be accessible from LW and SJW.
Maybe there should be a new “uspolitics” community elsewhere
Yeah, makes sense, I was just talking from my own experience which ones I found to be tolerable to interact with.
I think when I started looking around for an alternative to Beehaw’s politics community the best I arrived at was actually !politics_no_um@lemmy.world. I talked with the Quokk.au people about the idea of making one of my own as an alternative… I do have some ideas about how to make a decent politics community. I have hesitated about the idea just because there are already so many, but finding a good one is actually difficult, I do think creating one that’s just good would be a good idea.
![[Update] AtomicPoet has deleted the piefed.social communities where he was the sole moderator (!movies@piefed.social being the exception). Content is still available, details in the linked post](https://lazysoci.al/pictrs/image/cb7c5a29-e297-41a8-bde5-698ba205c3fd.png){kind=link}
Just focusing on one thing specifically here: Your grievance here (and others grievances with him) aren’t really with Jordan at this point, but with the inability or unwillingness of lemmy.world to act. Jordan’s behaviour and positions are well known. Him against the world. He won’t budge. It really is up to lemmy.world now.
In theory, lemmy/piefed etc systems are far better for mod accountability on this score because instance owners and admins are far closer to the community than reddit admins. I can tell you also that atomicpoet, for instance, making this decision didn’t come out of a vacuum on this point.
Who haven’t done anything about it.
Yeah, true that. If I had to engage in rampant speculation, I would say there are two possibilities:
Either or both might be true. Like people said in the original Jordan complainfest thread, they’ve known about this for literally years at this point, so I agree it seems a little unlikely that things would change now. Kaplan tried to say that new information has come to light now which is leading them to re-evaluate, but that’s honestly not really all that credible to me. I don’t really know, but if I had to guess I would guess that they’ll keep him on just because whatever structural issues led to them keeping him on in the past just haven’t changed that I am aware of.
Clearly lol. If anything it is a strong point in piefed.social’s favor, is that they’re willing to exercise common sense and take action about dumb behavior by their moderators.
And also, if this becomes a big enough issue - there should be a groundswell effort to dethrone the communities that Jordan moderates and supplant them, This can happen here.
I generally fuck with !politics@beehaw.org and !world@quokk.au, they seem a lot more sensible and enjoyable than the lemmy.world equivalents. Honestly every time I enter into the big-world-event communities on lemmy.world I wind up quickly regretting it just because they are so full of hostile objectionable people who are shouting bad opinions (which of course Jordan does nothing about in the course of his relentless quest to stop people changing headlines or being mean to trolls.)
!politics@sh.itjust.works seems a better fit, Beehaw isn’t federated with LW or SJW
!politics@sh.itjust.works is mod posting only though, last I checked. Also the mod seems like they might have some kind of strict opinions about what’s allowed (there is a post on YPTB about them right now, I haven’t really looked to see if there is anything valid to it but I do remember posting stories there way back when and the mod having requests about my posting that seemed somewhat arbitrary to me. Not really anything wrong or PTB, it was just kind of annoying and eventually I went somewhere else.)
To me I think refusing to federate with lemmy.world is a positive, not a negative. I haven’t really noticed anything lacking because of the LW users not being involved in the comments aside from a whole bunch of noise and hostility.
LW is still a third of the whole userbase, SJW is in the top 5 instances, for an alternative community to emerge it needs to be accessible from LW and SJW.
Maybe there should be a new “uspolitics” community elsewhere
Yeah, makes sense, I was just talking from my own experience which ones I found to be tolerable to interact with.
I think when I started looking around for an alternative to Beehaw’s politics community the best I arrived at was actually !politics_no_um@lemmy.world. I talked with the Quokk.au people about the idea of making one of my own as an alternative… I do have some ideas about how to make a decent politics community. I have hesitated about the idea just because there are already so many, but finding a good one is actually difficult, I do think creating one that’s just good would be a good idea.
Named after me, by the way! I’m so famous. lol
You could give it a try