I came across a post requesting to remove Nutomic from the Lemmy devs due to a comment he made here. In it, he suggests that the ruling class promotes both LGBTQ+ rights and transphobia as a means to create division among the working class. I’m curious to hear your thoughts on this perspective. Do you agree or disagree with his viewpoint? What other topics do you believe are used to divide the working class? Let’s discuss!
The issue with the idea of using queer rights to create division is that our existence is not up for debate. “Queer people deserve a happy life” and “queer people should not exist” are not equal stances that merit equal consideration. Our existence is not a game piece for someone else to play with.
Also, the ruling class never promotes us unless it’s to line their wallets.
Moral ideas can still be used to stoke division, though I doubt that’s the case here. I firmly believe the LGBT hate in America is Russian social media influence. They are who are stoking the flames.
Get down on the ground and talk to people. Even in my deep red county, no one gives a fuck about persecuting LGBT folks. Problem is, they’re like I used to be, “Don’t have a dog in this fight.”
When gay marriage was being debated, I finally came around to the idea the gay rights are civil rights. We need to get back to that messaging.
Lot’s of people would like to strip social justice from leftist ideology and only view the world in a strict Marxist sense where class divisions are the only thing. They claim that a classless society will automatically solve bigotry so we don’t have to worry about that.
In reality modern racism and capitalism were born as conjoined twins and one cannot be understood without the other. Ironically, black radical thought in America has always been bifurcated and marginalized from other Marxists largely over the issue of racial capitalism. This in part explains black voter’s skepticism shown toward politicians like Sanders.
It can be true that something is both an important right and used unethically by people that don’t actually care about the topic. See Rainbow capitalism as a very related example. Nutomic is right that identity politics are used to create division among the working class, because anything that can create division will be used to do so.
See Rainbow capitalism as a very related example. Nutomic is right that identity politics are used to create division among the working class, because anything that can create division will be used to do so.
I mean that part is accurate. But abandoning whatever issue it is that is being used to create division is not the answer. They use all kinds of legitimate issues to create division. The solution is clearly to get rid of that whole concept where disagreement = division. Not to say that it’s just “all good” if I think people deserve human rights, and you don’t. We can still work together on some things, sure. I’m still going to give you hell about your bad point of view. A lot of people on the left seem to have this concept like it has to be a monoculture, like everyone has to see all issues of right and wrong and good and evil in exactly the same way, and if you don’t see it my way, then you’re a total shit and an enemy on purpose and I need to try to destroy you first before even trying to attempt anything against the right. And that tendency is one that the right absolutely loves to exploit, and they have wild success at it.
(Nutomic also in an extra irony takes it a step further, because his server will not just “divide” from you ideologically, but outright ban you if you try to say that some particular people deserve human rights.)
