cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/50351339
The ‘yankification’ of British politics continues with Turning Point drawing attention to whatever the hell these people are supposed to be
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/50351339
The ‘yankification’ of British politics continues with Turning Point drawing attention to whatever the hell these people are supposed to be
You think these idiots are going to turn into some kind of international fascist union? Most of them ran on the platform of “fuck literally everyone else, we hate those guys”
Everyone already hates the USA after 9 months of fascist leadership. The USA and EU are in an active proxy war with Russia and China is helping on the Russian side. Israel is burning through all of the support they have acquired over the last decades. Brexit was almost a decade ago now.
We’re spending so much time fearing fascists we’re forgetting why we actually fear them: they’re adversarial, they suck ass at governing, and they fuck up constantly. Relations have never been worse between these countries since this right wing tide, and though there’s a lot of financial support for these parties, their international political unity extends as far as before they have a small disagreement.
Brexit isn‘t really relevant to the UK. ATM Reform, the most far-right party, is polling very well. As in „would become the ruling party if an election were called today“ well. They‘re also starting to get defectors from the hertofore bigger right-wing party (whose leader literally just said at the party conference that the UK should have it‘s own ICE squads doing what the US one is).
Some of the fearmongering is overwrought - especially the characterisation of Labour as being equivalent because they are acting in some utterly reprehesible ways in a stupid and doomed effort to court Reform voters - but it‘s a threat that should be taken seriously.
The good news is that the next election is 4 years away. If Trump fails in that time, or if the US gets so unahamdedly fascist that even the most denialist person can‘t deny it and it seriously harms the US on the international stage, then perhaps the British right-wing politicians will fall out of love with trying to ape Trump and the punters will see the warning signs and quietly shift back leftwards (or will crawl back in their holes in an atmosphere of „actually it isn‘t okay to say that out loud“).
I think also we‘ll need the Your party to definitively collapse so as not to split the vote on the left and for Starmer himself to resign and someone like Andy Burnham to take over (although he‘s just flubbed that one) in order to make Labour electable again.
Or there‘s the other option of Labour actually introducing something like proportional representation before the next election and thereby limiting the power of a party like Reform.
Point is, there are ways out of this mess, and there‘s time for it to happen. And we‘re definitely not where the US is, and the idea of a NeoNazi coalition seems far-fetched even under a potential Farage leadership. But at the same time, there is definitely cause for serious concern here in the UK, because there are definitely those in power or near power who would very much like to be where Trump is now.
I mean the us is pretty facist at this point. We have unmarked paramilitary police. The dudes with flak jackest, ar15 type rifles, and bandanas over their faces that is like the hallmark of every effed up place on earth for decades. They are regularly breaking two of the more key bill of rights, due process and involuntary search and seizure, with no repercussions and that is besides the straight out murders the have committed. People are being carted off to foreign gulags. They are bragging about facilities being built to be cruel and unusual (yet another bill of rights violation). And military from some states are invading other states. I mean the facist has not consolidated power completely but man.
Yes, i was explaining why the same isn’t true in the UK, but that that also doesn’t mean that we can just sit back and relax like it isn’t a possibility down the road
That’s some interesting insight. I don’t really know how Brexit has affected the UK, I was just using it as an example of the breakdown of international unity. Maybe that’s not very applicable, though.
Fascists will turn on each other eventually when a common enemy is gone. For them, it’s always a competition to the top.
They’re doing it before the common enemy is gone, even.