I know no one here is part of the Russian government, so I’m not expecting concrete answers here.

What I’m asking is simply what will happen if [well, when, at this point] The Ukraine ends up…falling, per se?

That’s a question in of itself really. Will Ukraine fight until the AFU collapses? Will there be a coup? Would a pro russian or neutral ukraine be established across all of what is currently the Ukraine, or will there be an attempt to make a “taiwan-ified” state in the west?

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    Thank you for the answer. I have regular discussions with a friend and he still has the opinion “russia bad”. In my country the media never gets tired to speak and write of the “russias illegal aggression war”. This exact wording is in every article and interview it’s obvious something is wrong.

    It’s the same with “islamist terror organization Hamas” in every article, always the same words.

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      Yup. Whenever they keep repeating the same phrase over and over again, you know they are trying to turn a lie into “truth” by pure repetition.

      The most obvious is when they speak about an “unprovoked full-scale invasion”. The reason they have to keep repeating that over and over again is because the reality is the exact opposite.

      There has never been a conflict more provoked than this one, and even the West’s own strategy papers, those that are mainly meant for internal consumption, admit they were provoking Russia. It’s only the public facing mainstream media, that which is designed to brainwash the public and manufacture consent, which still pretends otherwise.

      It is also extremely obvious that the qualifier “full-scale” is just meant to trigger an emotional response. It’s purely arbitrary. Objectively speaking it means nothing. Is Russia using its full force? No. If it was, Kiev would look like Gaza.

      Is there such a thing as “just a little invasion”? Also no. Even though the West also likes to pretend that there is such a thing whenever they talk of “limited strikes” against the targets of their aggression, like when they bombed Syria, or when they recently bombed Iran.

      And the most dystopian fact about all of this is how much literally all the media in the West are in lockstep on this. They literally all use the same language and the same phrases, almost as if there is a co-ordinated campaign (which there is) and the talking points are being fed by the state to all the outlets (which they are). No deviation from this line is tolerated.

      This is what was known in Nazi Germany as “Gleichgeschaltete Medien”, media in total lockstep with the state.