cross-posted from: https://midwest.social/post/36729179

I got banded from Hexbear. Not that I am super sad about it. More confused…

This is the post that did me in: https://midwest.social/post/36684138/20435030

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Nothing will change if you don’t believe it can. If all this does is delay fascism for a day. That’s one less day of people dying and suffering for really stupid and avoidable reasons. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me bummed out and not vote? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Yes, I agree. This is simply a stop gap measure. I’m not saying to stop doing all the other stuff like protesting and organizing. Voting is just one afternoon. For some people it’s really easy to do, it’s way easier than other stuff that you’re probably already doing. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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I thought roe v wade was gone because Obama did kick Mitch McConnell in the nutz for not doing his job and appointing his supreme Court judge. What did Biden do to row v wade? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Cuz I don’t need to engage with your material. This is sooooooo simple. Just vote for the guy who is less fascist. Are you confused about whether fascism is bad? Guess what? It’s bad! Lots of innocent people dying bad. Are you confused about which presidential candidate is the least fascist? That would be Biden. You should vote for him. Everyone should vote for him in this next election. This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter. You better take it! by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Define failed practice? What do you think would have happened if Biden had lost the last election to Trump? Four years of Trump almost tore this country to pieces. I’m sorry fighting is hard. I’m not asking you to be pro-democrat. I’m just asking you not to doomer everyone into not voting at all. Guess what? Fascists vote and they organize and they don’t get doomer about this stuff. If you’re not going to help then get out of the way. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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First of all, you’re confusing me with somebody who likes the Democrats. I don’t. I don’t like either party. Second of all, why the hell are you acting like there’s a third choice between a Democrat and Republican? When was the last time an independent candidate came even close to winning? We currently only have two choices for president. I beg of you or anyone else that is reading this. Please vote for the less fascist one. Again, I don’t like this. But acting like there’s absolutely no difference between Biden and Trump is the the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a long time. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

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I know! So simple right? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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reason: west purginia, mountain mama (lib :farquaad-point:)

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If you have the numbers to start a violent revolution. You have the numbers to do reform. Unless you plan on dying a glorious death with no change in outcome. I’m not saying electoralism is the only answer. Keep protesting. Keep organizing. Keep spreading information. Do you know what would give you more time to build that revolutionary army? If Biden was president for four more years. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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I don’t need to prove that Biden opposes fascism. I just have to prove the other candidate would be more fascist. We only have two choices. This should be really simple. Pick the one that’s less fascist. Why is this so hard for you? Are you unsure which president would cause a less fascist outcome between Biden and Trump? This is really simple, it’s Biden, vote Biden! Voting is one afternoon. Waiting in a line. Filling out a ballot. I know it sucks. Your feelings are valid. Vote Biden because fascism is bad. Do you know who’s not going to vote Biden. All the fascists. They’re going to be voting for whoever the Republican candidate is. Do you know who they really want? They want Hitler2 for president. Do you know what they’re not doing? Complaining about that and doomering over it. This is incredibly simple. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Biden is better than a fascist. Seriously, what’s the point of your comment? Are you trying to get me to give up start licking that boot? by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism. So that you can LARP as a revolutionary soldier. Listen if a violent revolution was going to be successful. Liberal democracy would have turned the USA into socialism by now. If you’re going to start a revolution, you have to make sure you have more than 50% of the population on your side, at a minimum. The more population on your side the less death will occur. If more than 50% of the population agrees with you, democracy will work just fine. No need to murder bone. Unless you want to. In which case none of this conversation makes any difference. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Yes, do all of that! And vote! Voting is pretty easy compared to the other things on that list. Do what you can. Do all of them if you can. I don’t like the Democrats. I don’t like saying that we should support the Democrats. But the Democrats are right now the least fascist of the two parties that we have to pick between. I am acting smug, because it appears to me this group has some whiny babies who can’t vote. Seriously, how can you fight fascists in the street and then just not vote? I think voting would be really easy compared to fighting fascists. Convincing cucked liberals to vote for Biden is a nice baby step for them. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Okay if you believe all that then shut up. Die quietly and let everyone else die fighting. All you’re doing is spread doomer bullshit that isn’t helping anyone. If you want to stop being miserable. Join the fight! by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: Wrecker.

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Wow, this whole post is psy op. Vote Biden people! The only other option will be a fascist or fascist enabler. I don’t like it anymore than you do. by deaf_fish @lemm.ee

reason: No.

  • deaf_fish@midwest.socialOP
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    14 hours ago

    So there is some missing context. The posters I was replying to had the position that voting was completely worthless. So much so, that even discussing it was a waist of time.

    Yeah, as a leftist, I don’t defend Biden. In fact I think, for the most part, Democrats are controlled opposition, and given time will become more fascist thanks to capital.

    My argument isn’t that Democrats will make things better. It is they will make things worse at a slower pace compared to republicans. Giving more time to organize.

    Voting is like bringing a knife to a battle with assault rifles. Yeah, it probably isn’t going to be useful, but if it is all you can carry, it is better than nothing. And until they figure out how to make skin cut resistant, there is always a possibility of doing some damage.

    That being said, in a very morbid way, the damage that the second Trump term is doing is very public and the admiration is doing a bad job covering it up. An the leftist organization that has been happening so far, has been good, but not enough. So, it might turn out that the accelerationist position has the least loss of life. I think the acceleration bet is still too rich for my blood. To much of a chance for things to go very badly.

    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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      13 hours ago

      So there is some missing context. The posters I was replying to had the position that voting was completely worthless. So much so, that even discussing it was a waist of time.

      It really is in the US. If you don’t live in a select pool of like 5 states, your vote doesn’t mean shit. This, of course, pertains to the presidential election, but that’s what your posts are all about. Parts of Hexbear were hyped about Mamdani. The biggest difference is that the office he’s running doesn’t count their votes through something as thoroughly undemocratic-by-design as the electoral college. And Hexbear in general is far more receptive of other elections outside the US. Most people on Hexbear were initially hyped about Corbyn’s new party or how the French left won the most seats in the 2024 French legislative elections. So it’s not even particularly true that Hexbear is against electoralism as you’re characterizing as.

      My argument isn’t that Democrats will make things better. It is they will make things worse at a slower pace compared to republicans. Giving more time to organize.

      Various people on Hexbear have also made this same argument. In other words, Democrats are not the lesser evil, but the weaker opponent that’s easier to topple should they be in power. But it falls apart since most US progressives do not recognize the Democrats as the enemy, so people do not organize as readily under the Democrats as you yourself have admitted. This is the tragedy of the US left: they recognize the Republicans as the enemy, but they do not recognize the Democrats as the enemy. Consequently, they will always be blindsided by the machinations of the Democrats.

      When Trump was in power, people rightfully saw his administration and the US government in general as the enemy, saw the carceral system for what it was, and cheered the masses of people taking to the streets and burning a police precinct to the ground. Even white people were beginning to warm up to BLM.

      But then Biden came to power and people let their guard down. When their guard was down, the police “reform” was enacted where police departments got record funding and cop cities began popping up to make sure a George Floyd uprising will never happen again. And now that Trump is back, people have their guard up again.

      Why do you think that ICE monitoring app only came about when Trump is president? ICE existed under Biden and there has been no technological breakthrough that would’ve made an ICE monitoring app impossible in 2020. It’s because Trump is president which lit a fire on many people’s asses, including an otherwise apolitical app developer who told himself, “I can’t just stand on the sidelines and watch ICE brutalize my friends and neighbors. I have to do something.” Had he been more politically conscious, he would’ve know that ICE was already brutalizing his friends and neighbors under Biden and would’ve been part of a political organization which would’ve steered his app development to not make terrible design choices like making it only be available on iPhones because he has a false idea of Android development and doesn’t understand basic FOSS concepts in general.