How? I’d say your comment here ^^^ is a prime example.

yeah you’re right, I’m not actually a good wrecker lol

Nah I don’t really want to talk about electoralism either. We do that enough amongst ourselves lol. But you seem earnest enough so I’ll give you an effort post about this.

Not a mod, but probably the reason you were labeled a wrecker is saying stuff like “You just want to shoot people. You want people to die due to fascism” and “This is your 100th chance to not come off as a fascist supporter.” “this whole post is psy op”

like there you are, you’re lying and slandering us. all you’re missing is a part where you call us Russian bots or Cee-Cee-Pee agents. We’ve heard it all. We don’t need or want to hear it again. It’s boring and annoying to us.

Here’s how I see your core problem, if you will allow me to try to read your mind and put some words in your mouth like you did to my comrades a couple years ago: you liberals understandably feel powerless about this decay affecting the nation, the world. Your politicians, political systems, who could supposedly do something about it seem completely unaccountable and inaccessible, or if they aren’t they usually only provide lame excuses. Now you don’t have to accept this framing they provide, we don’t, but you largely do.

But this feeling of powerlessness and anxiety you have is still there, so to ameliorate this you target those who are accessible, the annoying tankies who love arguing on the internet, thinking if you sway us into “getting with the program” and supporting Kamala you are doing something productive, coalition building, deradicalizing, whatever you want to call it to feel good- you are taking back control.

But this is a fiction, what you and I are doing here, posting, its basically entertainment with a dash of socializing. Nothing we are saying here matters to the enormous forces governing all of our lives, if hexbear.net dropped an offical endorsement for the democrats Trump would still be president. Even trump himself, for all his dictatorial ambitions and constant media presence, is pissing in the wind of forces beyond his control- history, economics, civilizational inertia. No one can control them, we’re all along for the ride. Read some Marxist theory if you want the specifics.

We posters on hexbear try not to worry about this lack of control, and just want to have a good time with our leftie friends while we’re here, that’s what social media is for. And fun for us also includes dogpiling on randoms drifting in and scolding us about it. But when it becomes not fun anymore and they crash out, call us slurs or fascists, etc we just ban them and get back to it. We call this wrecking because we think it’s a funny term to use basically. You don’t have to worry about we think about you, and you don’t have to think we’re funny, but I certainly think that our way is more personally fulfilling than engaging in the same argument again and again on twitter yelling at funhouse mirrors and bots hoping that it will achieve anything.

TLDR: wrecking is killing the vibe, we’re all just posting, don’t let it stress you out.

Surprised they didn’t label it “Debate pervert”, that’s another one I seen them throw around for similar reasons lol

So there is some missing context. The posters I was replying to had the position that voting was completely worthless. So much so, that even discussing it was a waist of time.

It really is in the US. If you don’t live in a select pool of like 5 states, your vote doesn’t mean shit. This, of course, pertains to the presidential election, but that’s what your posts are all about. Parts of Hexbear were hyped about Mamdani. The biggest difference is that the office he’s running doesn’t count their votes through something as thoroughly undemocratic-by-design as the electoral college. And Hexbear in general is far more receptive of other elections outside the US. Most people on Hexbear were initially hyped about Corbyn’s new party or how the French left won the most seats in the 2024 French legislative elections. So it’s not even particularly true that Hexbear is against electoralism as you’re characterizing as.

My argument isn’t that Democrats will make things better. It is they will make things worse at a slower pace compared to republicans. Giving more time to organize.

Various people on Hexbear have also made this same argument. In other words, Democrats are not the lesser evil, but the weaker opponent that’s easier to topple should they be in power. But it falls apart since most US progressives do not recognize the Democrats as the enemy, so people do not organize as readily under the Democrats as you yourself have admitted. This is the tragedy of the US left: they recognize the Republicans as the enemy, but they do not recognize the Democrats as the enemy. Consequently, they will always be blindsided by the machinations of the Democrats.

When Trump was in power, people rightfully saw his administration and the US government in general as the enemy, saw the carceral system for what it was, and cheered the masses of people taking to the streets and burning a police precinct to the ground. Even white people were beginning to warm up to BLM.

But then Biden came to power and people let their guard down. When their guard was down, the police “reform” was enacted where police departments got record funding and cop cities began popping up to make sure a George Floyd uprising will never happen again. And now that Trump is back, people have their guard up again.

Why do you think that ICE monitoring app only came about when Trump is president? ICE existed under Biden and there has been no technological breakthrough that would’ve made an ICE monitoring app impossible in 2020. It’s because Trump is president which lit a fire on many people’s asses, including an otherwise apolitical app developer who told himself, “I can’t just stand on the sidelines and watch ICE brutalize my friends and neighbors. I have to do something.” Had he been more politically conscious, he would’ve know that ICE was already brutalizing his friends and neighbors under Biden and would’ve been part of a political organization which would’ve steered his app development to not make terrible design choices like making it only be available on iPhones because he has a false idea of Android development and doesn’t understand basic FOSS concepts in general.

This thread is not the place to rehash electoralism.

Save your breath. Hexbears are not interested in nuanced political discussion. Either you swallow and vomit their very specific brand of elitist tankie leftism, or you get brigaded and banned. There is no allyship, only conformity.

It’s why other instance admins often receive petitions, particularly by newer Lemmings, to defederate or otherwise block hexbear instances.

Do yourself a favor and block their domain and any hexbear user that you find even remotely engaging in bad faith discussion. I mean ffs, they have communities specifically for identifying and harassing other Lemmy users in real time. They are the Kiwi Farms of the Fediverse, they know it, and they don’t care, because “lol communism go brrr.”