Eyes Up’s purpose is to “preserve evidence until it can be used in court.” But it has been swept up in Apple’s attack on ICE-spotting apps.

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      Yes, but also make it clear why you are leaving. And as dirty as it feels, don’t tell them their actions are irredeemable and they’ve lost you for life.

      If you tell them you’ll never come back no matter what, then they no longer have to care about your opinion. You’re essentially telling them that they should start catering more-heavily to the fascists now that the only potential customers don’t mind them bending the knee.

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      Well, both, really.

      Make sure they know you won’t be buying their process anymore because of these policies.

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        If people actually do this, they would find out next quarter

        But everyone loves talking big but keeps using these corpos products

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            I don’t think he’s projecting on you personally, Apple has a $3.76T market cap. If people really were upset that number would go down

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              Correct.

              One guy standing tall is cute and all but that’d not how systematic change happens. Need like 10-15% of people to get in the fight to send a proper message

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                  A random second hand smartphone, with a custom Android rom and no Google crap on it.

                  Also I’m constantly behind a VPN, just in case they can still get some useful data from me.

                  I consider that WAY better than buying a shitty iPhone

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                    Which is why I stay away from Google’s products too.

                    I guess can see how buying items second hand and flashing a ROM is not quite the same as buying a brand new phone running Android, but it seems unfair to then besmirch all iPhone users.

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                  Not OP but GrapheneOS on a Pixel probably works quite well. Got independent app stores such as FDroid etc.

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                    That is what I use, but it still dependent upon Google, for both software and hardware.

                    While I look forward to Linux phones being usable, but I haven’t had that experience yet.

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            Oh that’s fantastic.

            Can you please tell me you’re entirely ethical smartphone setup?

            Obviously you won’t have any Android in there, including Android ROMs which are based off of AOSP, as Google is just as, if not more, evil than Apple, and any project based off Google’s OS is inherently unethical.

            Are you’re using a Fair Phone? If not, what ethical phone are you using?

            And for your OS, is Sailfish or Ubuntu Touch?

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              Can you please tell me you’re entirely ethical smartphone setup?

              A used Onpeplus 10 with Lineage on it

              au contrair, that’s still Android!! We got em! Ez, kek!

              Yeah, and I didn’t pay for it. I don’t use Google services. You said ethics, right? I bought it used, Google doesn’t profit and I don’t use any of their services, so, they don’t continue to.

              Seems pretty sound to me. Lemme know if you need a recc for a TV or anything. I’m good with those too. I like helping normies connect with technology.

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              Your argument seems to be “all things that aren’t perfect are equally bad, so you must either boycott them all or never complain about any.” This is obviously silly. We’re talking about Apple and ICE, not every other company and every other bad thing.

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              Cause using AOSP benefits Google’s ability to limit their app restrictions.

              Tell me you don’t understand open source without telling me you don’t understand it…

              You give off some real “Well achkshuslly” enlightened centrist vibes here.

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                Using Google products is implicit support for Google.

                Which, by the way, I understand, but if you actually read the comments from top to bottom, you would have grasped the context.

                So tell me you didn’t actually read the comment thread without telling me.

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              Oh no, we can’t have ethical smartphones so we are forced to fund the worst corporations that exist 😢

              I guess I’ll just go buy an overpriced piece of tech crap locked in a shitty proprietary environment that doesn’t respect any of my rights…

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                Uh, that would have been a good argument back when flagship models didn’t cost more than the latest iPhones. Unless you’re buying something other than Samsung though, you’re paying more than $2k for something that soon won’t even be able to side-load apps.

                The gap between Android and iOS is closing as fast as Google can build the wall around their garden.

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                  The person I was responding to was declaring that their choice to use an Android based phone makes them a more ethical consumer, and therefore a better person, then iPhone users.

                  That’s an absurd position, which was what my comment was highlighting.

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                  What makes you think I buy flagships?

                  Also who cares about their gap, Linux phones are the next stop now.

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                How about you just don’t act high and mighty and pretend that your personal consumer choice of using an Android based OS somehow make you more ethical then those who use an iPhone.

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                  No, the thing here is that whenever one calls out company X then its fanboys will be like “company Y is worse”.

                  Which is absurd because X and Y don’t care about any of you.

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      If you are still using an apple phone in times like these then you are not taking your life serious enough. Big techs power will absolutely fuck things up in the coming series of purges in the US and people are totally unprepared for it.

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        How does one prepare for it without sitting around being a bored luddite all day? Idk how to tell you this, but the rot is total, and Americans simply aren’t willing to meet the moment

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          Can you not have fun without big tech platforms? There is so much stuff out there to do. So many hobbies both digital and physical to entertain yourself with.

          For tech things there is the open source nerds that continue to make it possible to remove the influence of our tech overlords from our lives while still making use of the hardware we already have.

          For climate change there are local groups in many cities (at least in Germany) with the specific idea of creating future proof communities that will survive supply chain collapse for food, water, electricity, etc.