Eyes Up’s purpose is to “preserve evidence until it can be used in court.” But it has been swept up in Apple’s attack on ICE-spotting apps.
Eyes Up’s purpose is to “preserve evidence until it can be used in court.” But it has been swept up in Apple’s attack on ICE-spotting apps.
No they didn’t. They just said that without proving it, and you believed them despite the cases there they do wrongly deport citizens
I’m curious why you think someone who entered the country illegally deserves a “fair trial” before being deported when they’re in the country illegally?
@FreedomAdvocate @IzzyJ because you can’t establish whether they’re in the country illegally without a fair trial.
Yes you can lol. Citizenship records exist. Visa records exist.
Can you determine if someone has a drivers license without a trial?
@FreedomAdvocate What’s the process to make sure those get checked before you get punished for being there? I say “you” on purpose - if I said “freedom advocate is here illegally! Take them!” and they believed me and threw you in the back of a van, what would you expect to happen at that point? Who would you speak to? How? How would you make sure they did what needed to be done to establish *your* legality? How would you make them check your papers?
They wouldn’t punish me in the first place because they’d have checked their records and seen that I am a citizen. No one is just being rounded up on an allegation and deported. No citizens have been deported.
You’re saying that they don’t follow procedures, and your solution is……procedures?
@FreedomAdvocate no citizens have been deported *because they are seeing judges*. https://web.archive.org/web/20250418013839/https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/17/us/lopez-gomez-citizen-detained-ice-florida/index.html
@FreedomAdvocate ignoring the fact that some children who are citizens *have* been forced to leave the country with their deported parents. So even the premise is incorrect.
Cool, so no citizens have been deported. Thanks for confirming my point and agreeing with me.
@FreedomAdvocate haha, teaches me for jumping in halfway through an argument. I’ll stick to *my* point about rule of law and due process though.
@FreedomAdvocate if I were law enforcement I probably could establish whether you had a driver’s licence, but who’s making me do it? If I tried to put you in jail for driving without a licence, even though you had a licence that I didn’t check, what’s your recourse?
So your argument is that they disregard procedures, and your solution to this is…… procedures?
@FreedomAdvocate yup
Our law- rightly- operates on the basis or natural rights. Endowed by their creator, and inalienable. Do you know what that means? It means rights aren’t something given to you by the constitution, you are born with them just for being a person, and they cannot be taken away. If we have a right to fair trial, so does everyone who ever lived, whether they got them is just a matter of how oppressive their governments were. Illegal immigrants are people and thus have natural rights.
You don’t have a right to a “fair trial” for not being able to prove you’re a citizen or have a valid visa to be in the country though lol. This doesn’t need a trial because there’s nothing to argue, nothing in question. Citizenship records exist. Visa records exist.
That doesn’t even make sense. A trial is where you’d find out whether or not you’d be able to prove it. Are you suggesting weresupposed to not assume innocence if they don’t have an idea in them at the time of detainment, because that’s a right too
You know that police can check citizenship on these things called computers, right? When the police ask if you have a drivers license, they already know if you have one or not, and even if it’s expired.
You don’t need a trial to prove you’re a citizen - you just need to actually be a citizen. Do you think people go to trial to prove that they have a drivers license? Lol
They don’t punish you for driving without a license before a trial though. You still have to be found guilty, and they have a right to that process
Yes they do lol. They give you a ticket on the spot. If you don’t have a license, which they can tell simply by looking up your details, you are guilty. It’s the same with citizenship/immigration status - it’s not a subjective thing, or something that can be argued in court.
You don’t go to trial for being caught driving without a license lol
Well that should change too