Watched the first half of the video, then got bored and annoyed enough to comment
Okay so I guess I kinda get where he’s coming from, in that people in American politics care about the state of america, and less about other countries (Afghanistan/Iraq in this case), but he is kinda taking it to the extreme and exaggerating the actual opinions people have on the value of the lives of people in other countries.
The thing I really don’t get at all in the video is him calling better welfare and healthcare for Americans ‘treats’, and that Americans will ‘do anything for their treats’. Like, is wanting to help our own people bad now? Is getting universal healthcare, a better social safety net, things that are standard in the rest of the developed world and Europe, just optional treats? Maybe we should also care about the Americans America has fucked over too, if we care so much about the value of every life.
I think he also just overstates how much platner and vets in general are mass murders and revel in the blood, and for a decent amount of the video all he was doing was pointing at platner being in the military and calling him a mass murdering psychopath in various ways. That’s a harder/longer argument I don’t have time for rn tho
I just love that you feigned ignorance and denied any existence of “American supremacist progressives,” and then immediately outed yourself as one the moment I questioned one of those wars. Cracking me up man.
You can make up whatever name you want for me but it doesn’t have anything to do with the actual definitions of the words. Wanting a free democratic Ukraine has nothing to do with American supremacy…
State any opposition in this community against continued support for the proxy war in Ukraine, or say anything about being upset Democrats helped end the ban on arming Nazis so they could send weapons to Ukraine.
Then watch the flood of “progressives” that suddenly support war. And it’ll be the same arguments as the Zionists, claiming Russia started it and history began when they invaded, conveniently leaving out the years of western provocations before and broken peace agreements by Ukraine.
LoL. Love that you NAFO turds are stuck with just downvoting this one, because you know any comment you have is going to prove my point.
This is clear Russian propaganda that doesn’t deserve a response, but I’m bored so why not…
Those aren’t remotely comparable. Ukraine is in a defensive war and Isreal is in an offensive war. Progressives tend to support democracy and human rights, so I see no contradiction. Calling Ukraine nazis is tired bullshit that only gullible idiot tankies believe. I have no clue what you’re talking about with the “ban on arming nazis” or “western provocations” or any “broken peace agreements” because they have no basis in reality.
There it is!! Same rehashed Zionist arguments that it’s defensive, history starts when Russia finally fought back, refusal to acknowledge the peace agreements even existed, and blanket denial of the ideology US backed forces are fighting for.
The denial of the existence of the Minsk agreements is a new shift. Usually y’all just claim Ukraine wasn’t obligated to stick to them. Let’s see if the other nafo’s are pushing that, too.
When zionost make that claim everyone knows they are lying based on the fact that they invaded Gaza. When Ukraine makes that claim, it is obviously true because they are being invaded. We have all seem Russian tactics of sending in “little green men” to instigate violence which they then use as justification for an invasion. They’ve done over and over again. Russia is a anti-democractic hell hole. I completely understand Ukraine not wanting them to take over, especially after the history you mentioned earlier… but I know Russians consider the holodomor to be a lie.
And all of the provocations and broken agreements before the invasion? Ukraine and NATO amassing troops and missiles at the border in violation of peace agreements? The soft coup led by the US installing a far-right puppet government in 2014?
This has got to be a gish-gallop. I’ve never heard of any of this. 2014 was after Russia already invaded. And the only peace agreements I’m aware of is the one where Ukraine gave up their nukes for a agreement that Russia would never invade them, and that the US would support Ukraine if they did.
A quick search says that the Minsk agreement was never signed by anyone with the authority to do so. The “Maiden Coup” or “Maiden Revolution” can be framed any way you want, but I guess I would prefer to error on the side of democracy. People clearly wanted to work closer with the EU and Yanukovych was only gonna do what russia wanted. So once again, progressives supporting democracy is not a contradiction.
About those claims, yes. I definitely don’t ever remember any nato troops amassing. I feel like that would’ve been pretty big news. And I have serious doubts about what you would consider “western provocations”.
They always do. Claim to know nothing, and then suddenly know enough to push back against every point against Ukraine, even though they were acting confused a comment or two before. It’s part of the script.
I agree that most people ignore NATO and Ukrainian provocations, but that doesn’t mean that this isn’t just another spat between imperialist states. Supporting one side or another does nothing to help the working class people caught in the middle.
The main similarity between Russia attacking Ukraine and Hamas capturing hostages October 7th is that you bots insist history started that day, and nothing happened before.
Because you think Ukraine attacked Russia? What reality was that, because it ain’t this one.
And I don’t think many people still support Israel’s attacking of civilians in Gaza even without considering that the Oct attacks were provoked by decades of conflict.
Russia’s murderous attempted conquest of Ukraine is unforgivable. Just because little putin didn’t like Ukraine moving to align with the west - that doesn’t justify attacking militarily. There’s a lot of blood on putin’s hands. And it’s also on the hands of pussy Russians who don’t stand up against his atrocities .
Do you have examples of progressives justifying war. I’m not even sure who these “American supremacist progressives” are…
It’s a cryptic dig at Graham Platner
https://youtu.be/JZc5Mbix3VE
Putting Hasan on that thumbnail as an “American supremacist progressive” is kinda wild tbh
Why? Watch the video and refute the argument if you can.
Watched the first half of the video, then got bored and annoyed enough to comment
Okay so I guess I kinda get where he’s coming from, in that people in American politics care about the state of america, and less about other countries (Afghanistan/Iraq in this case), but he is kinda taking it to the extreme and exaggerating the actual opinions people have on the value of the lives of people in other countries.
The thing I really don’t get at all in the video is him calling better welfare and healthcare for Americans ‘treats’, and that Americans will ‘do anything for their treats’. Like, is wanting to help our own people bad now? Is getting universal healthcare, a better social safety net, things that are standard in the rest of the developed world and Europe, just optional treats? Maybe we should also care about the Americans America has fucked over too, if we care so much about the value of every life.
I think he also just overstates how much platner and vets in general are mass murders and revel in the blood, and for a decent amount of the video all he was doing was pointing at platner being in the military and calling him a mass murdering psychopath in various ways. That’s a harder/longer argument I don’t have time for rn tho
Go to 25:30
I just love that you feigned ignorance and denied any existence of “American supremacist progressives,” and then immediately outed yourself as one the moment I questioned one of those wars. Cracking me up man.
You can make up whatever name you want for me but it doesn’t have anything to do with the actual definitions of the words. Wanting a free democratic Ukraine has nothing to do with American supremacy…
So you support removing Zelenskyy and the far-right puppet regime?
Oh, you’re one of those people.
Yeah, I do prefer the facts. And democracy.
State any opposition in this community against continued support for the proxy war in Ukraine, or say anything about being upset Democrats helped end the ban on arming Nazis so they could send weapons to Ukraine.
Then watch the flood of “progressives” that suddenly support war. And it’ll be the same arguments as the Zionists, claiming Russia started it and history began when they invaded, conveniently leaving out the years of western provocations before and broken peace agreements by Ukraine.
LoL. Love that you NAFO turds are stuck with just downvoting this one, because you know any comment you have is going to prove my point.
This is clear Russian propaganda that doesn’t deserve a response, but I’m bored so why not…
Those aren’t remotely comparable. Ukraine is in a defensive war and Isreal is in an offensive war. Progressives tend to support democracy and human rights, so I see no contradiction. Calling Ukraine nazis is tired bullshit that only gullible idiot tankies believe. I have no clue what you’re talking about with the “ban on arming nazis” or “western provocations” or any “broken peace agreements” because they have no basis in reality.
There it is!! Same rehashed Zionist arguments that it’s defensive, history starts when Russia finally fought back, refusal to acknowledge the peace agreements even existed, and blanket denial of the ideology US backed forces are fighting for.
The denial of the existence of the Minsk agreements is a new shift. Usually y’all just claim Ukraine wasn’t obligated to stick to them. Let’s see if the other nafo’s are pushing that, too.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/congress-has-removed-a-ban-on-funding-neo-nazis-from-its-year-end-spending-bill/tnamp/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/u-s-lifts-ban-on-providing-weapons-and-training-for-ukraines-controversial-azov-brigade
And theres some more bullshit propaganda!
When zionost make that claim everyone knows they are lying based on the fact that they invaded Gaza. When Ukraine makes that claim, it is obviously true because they are being invaded. We have all seem Russian tactics of sending in “little green men” to instigate violence which they then use as justification for an invasion. They’ve done over and over again. Russia is a anti-democractic hell hole. I completely understand Ukraine not wanting them to take over, especially after the history you mentioned earlier… but I know Russians consider the holodomor to be a lie.
And all of the provocations and broken agreements before the invasion? Ukraine and NATO amassing troops and missiles at the border in violation of peace agreements? The soft coup led by the US installing a far-right puppet government in 2014?
You people are a joke.
This has got to be a gish-gallop. I’ve never heard of any of this. 2014 was after Russia already invaded. And the only peace agreements I’m aware of is the one where Ukraine gave up their nukes for a agreement that Russia would never invade them, and that the US would support Ukraine if they did.
So you claim to be well informed on this topic, but haven’t heard of the Maiden Coup or the Minsk Agreements?
Never claimed to be well informed…
A quick search says that the Minsk agreement was never signed by anyone with the authority to do so. The “Maiden Coup” or “Maiden Revolution” can be framed any way you want, but I guess I would prefer to error on the side of democracy. People clearly wanted to work closer with the EU and Yanukovych was only gonna do what russia wanted. So once again, progressives supporting democracy is not a contradiction.
LMAO
“I’m admit that I’m totally ignorant of the topic on hand, but I’m still going to insist that my uninformed opinion is the correct one.”
So at this point you’re just claiming ignorance?
About those claims, yes. I definitely don’t ever remember any nato troops amassing. I feel like that would’ve been pretty big news. And I have serious doubts about what you would consider “western provocations”.
They always do. Claim to know nothing, and then suddenly know enough to push back against every point against Ukraine, even though they were acting confused a comment or two before. It’s part of the script.
Loool
Holy shit is this ml? Rusbots all over this thread.
Edit: shit, yeah, it’s ml. Gross.
I agree that most people ignore NATO and Ukrainian provocations, but that doesn’t mean that this isn’t just another spat between imperialist states. Supporting one side or another does nothing to help the working class people caught in the middle.
Don’t support either side. It’s not sports. In a fight between Euro Nazis and Russian oligarchs, it’s perfectly acceptable to oppose both.
I support the people of Ukraine who are getting attacked by Russia. Russia crossed the boarder with military force; they are clearly the aggressors.
There’s so much crossover with the Zionist hasbara and nafo Ukraine propaganda, I gotta wonder if y’all work out if the same computer farms.
Project much? Haha.
Russia attacking Ukraine is nothing like Israel attacking Gaza. But yes, they’re both evil.
The main similarity between Russia attacking Ukraine and Hamas capturing hostages October 7th is that you bots insist history started that day, and nothing happened before.
Because you think Ukraine attacked Russia? What reality was that, because it ain’t this one.
And I don’t think many people still support Israel’s attacking of civilians in Gaza even without considering that the Oct attacks were provoked by decades of conflict.
Russia’s murderous attempted conquest of Ukraine is unforgivable. Just because little putin didn’t like Ukraine moving to align with the west - that doesn’t justify attacking militarily. There’s a lot of blood on putin’s hands. And it’s also on the hands of pussy Russians who don’t stand up against his atrocities .