• ThePyroPython@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    Please explain how the UK is now more authoritarian than Russia; a country that rigs elections, disappears/assassinates political opposition, and invades neighbouring sovereign nations to ethnically cleanse them?

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      23 hours ago

      so you want to wait until it beats Russia in all authoritarian metrics before acknowledging the problem?

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        22 hours ago

        No, I think we can acknowledge the problems surrounding digital ID, the surveillance state, prosecuting whistleblower journalists who leak classified information, and many other problematic policies and institutions WITHOUT resorting to a rediculous comparison and insane hyperbole.

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          22 hours ago

          so being half way into authoritarianism is “insane hyperbole”?

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            22 hours ago

            I have yet to see UK election officials being caught on CCTV stuffing ballet boxes.

            I have yet to see the Police arresting people for being gay in public.

            I have yet to see the BBC be handed notes live on air and completely change the narrative around an ongoing war.

            So yeah, the original comment saying “the UK is more authoritarian than Russia” is insane hyperbole.

            Ironically, your comment about the UK being halfway to as authoritarian as somewhere like Russia is more interesting as we can get into the details as how they are currently similar and how much further the UK would have to slide to be there, and presumably how to stop it.

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              22 hours ago

              again, so you want to see all the boxes ticked before you call a spade a spade?.. not a great strategy but you do you

              I have yet to see the Police arresting people for being gay in public.

              No, but there is this:

              https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vrjkev802o

              I have yet to see the BBC be handed notes live on air and completely change the narrative around an ongoing war.

              No, but there is this:

              https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ideas/media/64534/how-the-government-captured-the-bbc

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                21 hours ago

                And so what’s your threshold for calling a spade a spade? Is a trowel a spade? Is a spoon a spade? Is a flat bit of wood a spade?

                Do you understand the concept of neuance or shades of grey or do you doggedly stick to black and white?

                Must be blissfull to see the world with strict category boundaries and be willingly ignorant of anything on a spectrum that doesn’t fit into your nice and neat categories.

                Not my thing, but you do you boo.

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                  21 hours ago

                  Dude my point is as follows:

                  • there is an exaggerated claim on the table
                  • you can call it hyperbole, as it is, maybe even criticize it, and then move on a discuss the merits it stands on

                  Instead, you call it hyperbole and proceed to explain why it’s hyperbole and refuse to discuss any merit. That is just being pedantic.

                  OP: “so a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar”

                  You: “no, I refuse to hear the joke because it’s extremely unlikely religious people of different denominations drink together at bars”

                  Do you understand the concept of neuance or shades of grey or do you doggedly stick to black and white?

                  I do, which is why, I understand calling the UK worse than Russia is hyperbole but still get the gist of the comment

                  Must be blissfull to see the world with strict category boundaries…

                  Are you talking about yourself? refusing to even acknowledge the gist of the OP comment because it is hyperbole and not a check list like the one you provided?

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                20 hours ago
                1. Palestine Action is a terror group. They committed violent terror acts against the UK and got designated as such in response. It doesn’t matter if you’re a senile 83 year old woman, it’s still illegal to support a terror group.

                2. Wtf is that “prospect magazine” link? Looks like some weird anti-jew conspiracy website. I really hope you don’t get your news from places like that.

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        23 hours ago

        Yes, and then ideally wait some more while i masturbate about the problem. And ideally bit more until i die of old age sucking this sweet delicious boot.

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        20 hours ago

        Pretty sure that was being done for millennia before the UK was around. The UK itself suffered multiple invasions and genocides before the empire was a thing.