because it is better… teslas full self driving literally causes accidents all the time because of not using actual sensors for depth and lidar, there have been tons of cases of people using their teslas on freeways and it just crashes them out of nowhere, they just don’t care about forcing out a release even if its extremely dangerous and proven to be so
I’m glad someone else already said it but camera depth sensing is way less functioning and safe than these other sensors and is way more prone to environmental factors fucking with it. You should do some research instead of listing off something elon says without any understanding…
I do research in 3D computer vision and in general, depth from cameras (even multi view) tends to be much noisier than LiDAR. LiDAR has the advantage of giving explicit depth, whereas with multiview cameras you need to compute it, which has a fair amount of failure modes. I think that’s what the above user is getting at when they said Waymo actually has depth sensing.
This isn’t to say that Tesla’s approach can’t work at all, but just that Waymo’s is more grounded. There are reasons to avoid LiDAR (cost primarily, a good LiDAR sensor is very expensive), but if you can fit LiDAR into your stack it’ll likely help a bit with reliability.
that is exactly what i meant by it yes, predictive depth using cameras is way less reliable as it is vs direct sensors that are expensive but if they cant make something cheaply that wont kill you it shouldn’t be sold period
I mean honestly I’m not even mad that a self-driving car isn’t taking the freeway. It’s pretty scary that Tesla is considering and is actually taking people on the freeway but I understand that their requirements are that they have to have a driver behind the seat which really doesn’t make the car self-driving.
I’m sorry……people have been saying these are better than Tesla’s FSD and they can’t even go on a highway?!
because it is better… teslas full self driving literally causes accidents all the time because of not using actual sensors for depth and lidar, there have been tons of cases of people using their teslas on freeways and it just crashes them out of nowhere, they just don’t care about forcing out a release even if its extremely dangerous and proven to be so
Tesla uses cameras for depth sensing. If you don’t understand how that works, do some research.
I’m glad someone else already said it but camera depth sensing is way less functioning and safe than these other sensors and is way more prone to environmental factors fucking with it. You should do some research instead of listing off something elon says without any understanding…
I do research in 3D computer vision and in general, depth from cameras (even multi view) tends to be much noisier than LiDAR. LiDAR has the advantage of giving explicit depth, whereas with multiview cameras you need to compute it, which has a fair amount of failure modes. I think that’s what the above user is getting at when they said Waymo actually has depth sensing.
This isn’t to say that Tesla’s approach can’t work at all, but just that Waymo’s is more grounded. There are reasons to avoid LiDAR (cost primarily, a good LiDAR sensor is very expensive), but if you can fit LiDAR into your stack it’ll likely help a bit with reliability.
that is exactly what i meant by it yes, predictive depth using cameras is way less reliable as it is vs direct sensors that are expensive but if they cant make something cheaply that wont kill you it shouldn’t be sold period
I mean honestly I’m not even mad that a self-driving car isn’t taking the freeway. It’s pretty scary that Tesla is considering and is actually taking people on the freeway but I understand that their requirements are that they have to have a driver behind the seat which really doesn’t make the car self-driving.
The person being behind the seat doesn’t make it not self driving, it just means that laws around consumer vehicles mandate it.
Remember, anyone can buy a Tesla and turn on self driving. You can’t buy a Waymo car.