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Spectre@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago

Who wants war with Russia?

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Who wants war with Russia?

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Spectre@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 days ago
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cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/9844277

  • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org
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    Do you mean that the Ukrainian people are getting

    assaulted, kidnapped

    On the territories still controlled by Zelensky’s regime - yes, kidnapping and assault (busification) is daily occurence indeed.

    murdered

    Well, this is the point of busification, to send the people to die, so also yes.

    Thankfully, Russia is slowly but steadily liberating people from that.

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      You’re right. War is hell. We should be pressuring the aggressor to end this before more people die.

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        They’re doing their best, but someone keeps refusing a peace treaty🤔

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          One would argue that the aggressor should be making concessions not the victim, but it seems like you’ve already picked a side.

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            You could argue that, if you were both woefully uninformed about who the aggressor is and laughably ignorant about how armed conflict works. You could.

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                Sigh Allow me, @RiverRock@lemmy.ml.

                The US-backed Maidan coup and US & Ukraine-supported fascist paramilitary attacks on eastern & southern Ukraine:

                • Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
                • Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
                • Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
                • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
                • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
                • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
                • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
                • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
                • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
                • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
                • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
                • openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
                • Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
                • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
                • Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine Former Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
                • Internationalist 360°, 2022–2024: History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
                • NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

                 
                NATO expansion:

                • George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
                • Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
                • Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
                • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
                • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine

                 
                NATO in general:

                • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
                • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
                • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
                • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
                • Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
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                  He’ll yeah borther semper pie

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              I’m just the most decorated veteran in my family with 5 generations of service, but sure teach me how armed conflict works.

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                1. Ukraine provoked said war for 8 years. Fully believing (or being led to believe) it would win.
                2. it did ethnic cleansing in Donbas during that time and was preparing to finish the job when Russia brought the Hammer down
                3. In a war the losing side has to make concessions to reach peace, not the winning side. Russia is winning that war, ergo Ukraine has to make concessions. In WW2 Japan surrendered unconditionally, it was not the Allies who made any concessions to Japan. When Prussia invaded Denmark, Denmark conceded Holstein to Prussia. Prussia did not concede anything to Denmark, it won that war. Did you per chance believe that Mexico turned over half of its territory to the USA because it was in a good mode or something? The US defeated Mexico in a war, Mexico had to make huge territorial concessions. It is completely irrelevant who was the agressor in this regard. In other words: Why should I concede you something when I am in a position to take more? You have to concede something to prevent me from taking more.

                5 generations of not knowing how peace making works. Something any grand strategy video game would’ve teached you. Or looking up any war in history. Loser makes concessions, how hard is this to get?

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                No problem! So when you win, you get to set the terms of the treaty. When you lose, you don’t. Surprised they didn’t go over this in war school, but whatev I’m happy to help

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                  I fail to see what this has to do with Ukraine. You’re going to have to pull out your 2 dollar words. The war isn’t over until either one side is destroyed or they make peace. Until then there is no winner or loser.

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                    No worries:

                    -Russia Win

                    -Ukraine Lose

                    -Winner get write rules

                    The war isn’t over until either one side is destroyed or they make peace.

                    -Sentences spoken from a bunker in Berlin. You’re a decorated imperial veteran and you don’t understand the concept of “combat ineffective?” What were they even teaching you in war crimes school?

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        Shitlibs complain about .ml censoring them and then when you actually look it’s them getting a comment removed (not even a ban) for calling people evil Russians and telling them to kill themselves

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          I literally had a comment removed and was soft banned from World News for suggesting you had an alt account with no explanation why.

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            You got a one day ban for direct personal attacks. Once again: people complaining about .ml “censoring” them are always just people mad that the rules got enforced on them when they’re used to the mods giving them a parse for having the same politics

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              You’re wrong, it was for bad-jacketing which currently is not actually in the rules for lemmy.ml or that News community.

              I did not make any personal attacks, but I have seen a lot on here which do not get removed.

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                Ah huh. You can play dumb if you like.

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                  I am pretty curious as to how you’d know more details about my comment removal and ban than I do.

                  It would be pretty unethical if you had access to a mod account.

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                    Because I can read the modlog, genius.

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            You said it yourself: for suggesting that he had an alt account. That could get you a ban on dbzer0 as well, in that case for “bad-jacketing”:

            https://wiki.dbzer0.com/divisions-by-zero/the-golden-rules/

            1. Don’t be shitty. i.e. telling people to kill themselves, or bad-jacketing is bannable.
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              Thank you for the explanation, it might be worth adding bad-jacketing to the rules or code of conduct.

              Is dbzer0 somehow related to lemmy.ml?

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                No, dbzer0 is its own thing. What they have in common is they’re both run by socialists.

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                  Does being accused of being a bot qualify as bad-jacketing?

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                    The dbzer0 admins seem to think so, from what I’ve seen, but you’d have to ask them.

                    The point is, unless you have the receipts to prove it, don’t call someone a bot.

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