No. I blame the users for creating a market by using it. If no one was interested in that bullshit, then that industry would have collapsed 2-3 years ago.
There will always be psychopaths with “business ideas” that do fuck all for this planet or the living beings roaming on it. Can’t prevent that. But the general masses enabling them? That’s definitely on every single one of them.
The market isn’t growing due to demand, though. AI is being pushed by businesses and investors hoping that demand will appear in the future. They’re burning through tons of cash, not growing naturally due to user interest.
If everyone was completely boycotting this machine learning bullshit, they wouldn’t stand a chance pushing it.
Apps “offering” LLM bullshit? Use other software.
Support chat forces chatbot on you? Call them by the number on the imprint. And if that doesn’t work - send them a letter with a notice period to respond.
“Vibe coders” submitting pull requests? Tell them to shove their plagiarism where the sun don’t shine.
I have not had to use LLM snake oil even once to date, and I don’t plan on accepting it anywhere. Ig everyone did that, the “technology” would have been dead on arrival.
While it’s true that some demand is related, the vast vast majority of the spend is speculative on what AI might be and assuming that if it manages to be the thing of their dreams, it will demand exponentially more resources than the current LLM slop.
They are spending this money without clear indication that the demand they want is there. For example, OpenAI at one point claimed that, by now, businesses would be paying them $50k/year for a single ‘instance’ of LLM, good for equivalent to one human headcount.
They are currently betting that at some point, they’ll effectively fix the lack of actual reasoning (a number of AI enthusiasts will claim that AI can have an entirely distinct thing from any reasoning we have ever known but still call it reasoning, which is a pretty stupid cop out). And/or they’ll translate this reliably to robotics (so far this has ended up being pretty elusive, investors assumed the same fake language that passes for executive-speak means it could apply to menial manual labor, but it hasn’t worked yet).
But yeah, refraining from using these services would deflate the expectations more quickly, enough people toying around with it sparks the imagination of what the execs think they can get for it…
I understand your reasoning, but I disagree - I am sure that if 90% of people to whom “AI” was marketed would react with a “fuck off with that bullshit”, they wouldn’t ever have gotten the funding they have to begin with.
Well, that’s dumb. I don’t think it’s my fault. They’re not making any money off of me using their AI. They’re just bullshitting so that people give them fake money. I don’t think I can do anything about that.
But yeah, I’ll stop using AI if it means that people are generating fake nudes all the time. That’s weird to me, I don’t want to be part of that. I’ll have to go back to Artstudio Pro, even though it kind of sucks, it’s only $20.
It’s your fault for using that shit and contributing to its widespread acceptance, thereby inflating the bubble. And you are therefore responsible for the consequences, among which completely unrelated people lose lots of money. If only that was the worst of it.
No I don’t think that eating meat, using plastic straws or bags, or drinking Starbucks is my fault any more than using AI is my fault. Those might not be good things to do, but at the end of the day I live in poverty. I’m sorry. I’m not going to shoulder the personal guilt and responsbility that belongs to somebody else.
By your logic, when you give your vote to a fascist party, and they proceed to win the election and turn your country into a fascist dictatorship, then that is also not your fault.
I genuinely think that it is morally rephrenensible to vote for a fascist.
However, you are correct. I don’t think Trump’s presidency is the fault of ‘Trump voters.’ I think Trump voters are assholes, but unless they are all also billonares with near infinite money, or members of a secret orginization containing only high-ranking military officials, or a member of a well-connected secret hacking group or something, I don’t think they could have done anything about Trump or someone like him rising to power. I think this because I try to think about and understand power dynamics. This is fucked up an unfortunate to think about and acknowledge, but confronting reality is the first step to changing it.
You speculate that Grand Old Pedophile party voters could not have done anything against the rise of fascism, I state that they did not even try - even worse, they actively enabled pedocriminal rapists and murderers. They are absolutely responsible for this clusterfuck we have right now. Are they the only ones responsible? No - but they could definitely have TRIED to prevent this shitfest.
Yeah I guess some degree of responsibility, but it’s probably minimal. It’s true that they did not try, and probably some of them wanted fascism as long as it didn’t happen to them, some of them didn’t know, I don’t think it matters either way, because the average person is genuinely powerless against the system. I also don’t think voting for Trump is the same thing as using AI to generate clickable icons and clipart slop… but, I am going to stop using AI because of the nude photo thing. I knew that some weirdos did that to women they know and I knew pedos did that to people’s kids they find on Facebook, I just didn’t know it was happening on the clearnet. I assumed those stories were about weird online forums or on the deep web, or on an onion site or something. This is so crazy.
I use AI a lot to make clipart but to be honest I didn’t know about the Twitter AI because I’m not on Twitter.
Will you then pay for my next RAM purchase? Because it is your fault that prices have skyrocketed.
It’s mostly NVIDIA and OpenAI fault, if you want to be honest.
No. I blame the users for creating a market by using it. If no one was interested in that bullshit, then that industry would have collapsed 2-3 years ago. There will always be psychopaths with “business ideas” that do fuck all for this planet or the living beings roaming on it. Can’t prevent that. But the general masses enabling them? That’s definitely on every single one of them.
The market isn’t growing due to demand, though. AI is being pushed by businesses and investors hoping that demand will appear in the future. They’re burning through tons of cash, not growing naturally due to user interest.
If everyone was completely boycotting this machine learning bullshit, they wouldn’t stand a chance pushing it. Apps “offering” LLM bullshit? Use other software.
Support chat forces chatbot on you? Call them by the number on the imprint. And if that doesn’t work - send them a letter with a notice period to respond.
“Vibe coders” submitting pull requests? Tell them to shove their plagiarism where the sun don’t shine.
I have not had to use LLM snake oil even once to date, and I don’t plan on accepting it anywhere. Ig everyone did that, the “technology” would have been dead on arrival.
While it’s true that some demand is related, the vast vast majority of the spend is speculative on what AI might be and assuming that if it manages to be the thing of their dreams, it will demand exponentially more resources than the current LLM slop.
They are spending this money without clear indication that the demand they want is there. For example, OpenAI at one point claimed that, by now, businesses would be paying them $50k/year for a single ‘instance’ of LLM, good for equivalent to one human headcount.
They are currently betting that at some point, they’ll effectively fix the lack of actual reasoning (a number of AI enthusiasts will claim that AI can have an entirely distinct thing from any reasoning we have ever known but still call it reasoning, which is a pretty stupid cop out). And/or they’ll translate this reliably to robotics (so far this has ended up being pretty elusive, investors assumed the same fake language that passes for executive-speak means it could apply to menial manual labor, but it hasn’t worked yet).
But yeah, refraining from using these services would deflate the expectations more quickly, enough people toying around with it sparks the imagination of what the execs think they can get for it…
I understand your reasoning, but I disagree - I am sure that if 90% of people to whom “AI” was marketed would react with a “fuck off with that bullshit”, they wouldn’t ever have gotten the funding they have to begin with.
Oh, that’s why you’re blaming me. You think the free market is real, like as in something that exists in real life.
Well, that’s dumb. I don’t think it’s my fault. They’re not making any money off of me using their AI. They’re just bullshitting so that people give them fake money. I don’t think I can do anything about that.
But yeah, I’ll stop using AI if it means that people are generating fake nudes all the time. That’s weird to me, I don’t want to be part of that. I’ll have to go back to Artstudio Pro, even though it kind of sucks, it’s only $20.
It’s your fault for using that shit and contributing to its widespread acceptance, thereby inflating the bubble. And you are therefore responsible for the consequences, among which completely unrelated people lose lots of money. If only that was the worst of it.
No I don’t think that eating meat, using plastic straws or bags, or drinking Starbucks is my fault any more than using AI is my fault. Those might not be good things to do, but at the end of the day I live in poverty. I’m sorry. I’m not going to shoulder the personal guilt and responsbility that belongs to somebody else.
By your logic, when you give your vote to a fascist party, and they proceed to win the election and turn your country into a fascist dictatorship, then that is also not your fault.
I genuinely think that it is morally rephrenensible to vote for a fascist.
However, you are correct. I don’t think Trump’s presidency is the fault of ‘Trump voters.’ I think Trump voters are assholes, but unless they are all also billonares with near infinite money, or members of a secret orginization containing only high-ranking military officials, or a member of a well-connected secret hacking group or something, I don’t think they could have done anything about Trump or someone like him rising to power. I think this because I try to think about and understand power dynamics. This is fucked up an unfortunate to think about and acknowledge, but confronting reality is the first step to changing it.
You speculate that Grand Old Pedophile party voters could not have done anything against the rise of fascism, I state that they did not even try - even worse, they actively enabled pedocriminal rapists and murderers. They are absolutely responsible for this clusterfuck we have right now. Are they the only ones responsible? No - but they could definitely have TRIED to prevent this shitfest.
Yeah I guess some degree of responsibility, but it’s probably minimal. It’s true that they did not try, and probably some of them wanted fascism as long as it didn’t happen to them, some of them didn’t know, I don’t think it matters either way, because the average person is genuinely powerless against the system. I also don’t think voting for Trump is the same thing as using AI to generate clickable icons and clipart slop… but, I am going to stop using AI because of the nude photo thing. I knew that some weirdos did that to women they know and I knew pedos did that to people’s kids they find on Facebook, I just didn’t know it was happening on the clearnet. I assumed those stories were about weird online forums or on the deep web, or on an onion site or something. This is so crazy.