I did and FPTP suggest the two most similar parties should merge… that is, unless the most similar party enjoys playing the controlled opposition. -In that case they might not merge but then supporting the opposition party continues to enable the party in power. So while it takes time for the Democrats and Republicans to merge, I’ll be out here voting and advocating for real positive change.
it made it easier for Joseph Biden to win?
Do you have any metrics for how much change you’ve personally affected through protest and “advocating?” as my vote counted for ~1:153,000,000 (not counting for delegates and electoralism.)
Tangentially, in 2020 I watched people protest police and its abusive practices, then when the same people got a chance to vote for the Democrat, he responded by increasing support for police nationwide.
The other reason I ask (and my tangent only reinforces this idea) is because there’s an infamous paper from Princeton in 2014 that suggests sitting politicians Don’t care what you think. -Direct source to the paper cited
Votong for somone you don’t agree with is inconceivable to me. Until much more if that hapoens nothing changes. 3rd party is fine and should be encouraged
that will never be on the ballot. the active socialist position is to vote for the least worst candidate with a chance of winning and organize on the margins to build the strength for a robust insurgency movement that can break the system and make a new one. organizing under hyperfascism is much more difficult than under neoliberal fascism. it’s why big businesses switch to supporting overt fascism in times of decay. yes, the calculus is a little different if you’re in a winner take all location with a heavy majority like maryland, illinois, or idaho. in those locations, go ahead, vote 3rd party to send a message that america isn’t homogenous or a binary. or spend your day organizing on the margins. but you have to understand that the most votes a third party candidate ever mustered was 18%, and that candidate was a right wing libertarian with some very concerning views on race.
election day is all about finding a way to make the other 364 days of resistance continue to be possible. they’ve become much more difficult under the republican controlled apparatus
Yes and there’s your problem. Instead of building a proper political system you just keep voting for tyrants all the while burning others because they voted on the wrong tyrant.
The person you responded to was also bashing third-party voting.
Honestly, I’d rather people educate themselves and vote third parties than not vote like 40% of the country did. If third parties got a large piece of the vote, they could get public funding and make their voices heard more. Sure, there’s only two sides to every issue, but you could have coalition style like in Europe.
But our two parties conspire to monopolize the seats of power just like the corporations that buy them.
when you say “as a ______,” you’re labeling the pronoun that follows as the thing you’re talking about. in this case, “as a 3rd party voter, you” implies that the person you’re responding to is the 3rd party voter, even though you’re the 3rd party voter on .ml
most people are picking up on this, and it’s a common mistake
that said, third party vote is objectively the dumb and morally wrong vote
when you say “as a ______,” you’re labeling the pronoun that follows as the thing you’re talking about. in this case, “as a 3rd party voter, you” implies that the person you’re responding to is the 3rd party voter.
While this is true, I guess it becomes clear in the context what they were talking about.
I could equally argue that a vote for the Democrats is objectively the dumb and morrally wrong vote and nobody likes a grammer nazi.
sure, you could argue that. and you’d be wrong yet again, because there is literally nothing to support that argument. between three options, one being the obvious worst fucking thing imaginable, one being pretty bad, but clearly and obviously better than the 100% terrible choice, and the third being…not the other two, but with basically 0% chance of success–by throwing one’s weight behind the guaranteed fail, all you’re doing is communicating to the world that it’s more important for you to be perceived as some kind of morally superior champion of…something --which btw, NO ONE perceives you as that, except for yourself-- than it is to do something, anything, no matter how small against the inevitable fascism of the first option. which…here we are now.
“grammar nazi”–i didn’t mean you to take it as i’m telling you how to write, i’m telling you that i’m taking you even less seriously when you can’t even get a handle on how to use the one language you’re trying to convince people of your position with
i’m sure you’ll find comfort in your “at least i didn’t vote for kamala” mantra as the world continues to burn around us, directly because of trump. fucking disgusting
I got halfway through and stopped reading. Your post is substanceless and only furthers to stroke someones ego. Also, your only asking of that which you do not afford me as you have said as much. I don’t see it your way.
Same as you feel i suppose… and you’re not going to gain any new supporters to your side by going around demonizing the people you think owe you something. -That’s a good way to lose your next election.
of course you did. you’re not here to defend your position or anything, just to act like you’re the “better person,” even though your misguided worldview does nothing but paint you as a gullible rube who thinks anyone on the planet can snap their fingers and end the genocide in gaza. i expect your next course of action will be to plug your ears and scream “LALALACANTHEARYOUUUUU”
Nah, the Genocide in Gaza largely didn’t motivate me. Otherwise I wouldn’t have helped Joe Biden in 2020 by voting third party but instead I would have helped Joe Biden in 2020 by voting for him directly. I simply think Gaza was a good litmus test that helped stop a lot of other people from making the decision to actively support genocide. -Which is a pretty good reason. Just not mine. My case is this, Harris is and always was a terrible establishment-candidate.
Have the day you voted for, morons!
People who voted against this shit (and no, third party doesn’t count) have my fullest sympathy, of course
As a third-party voter, you don’t have my sympathoes either.
Look up First Past The Post to learn why you accidentally supported Trump.
I did and FPTP suggest the two most similar parties should merge… that is, unless the most similar party enjoys playing the controlled opposition. -In that case they might not merge but then supporting the opposition party continues to enable the party in power. So while it takes time for the Democrats and Republicans to merge, I’ll be out here voting and advocating for real positive change.
But with FPTP your vote for a third party changes nothing. It simply makes it easier for the other two to win.
Advocating and protesting work. That drives change.
it made it easier for Joseph Biden to win? Do you have any metrics for how much change you’ve personally affected through protest and “advocating?” as my vote counted for ~1:153,000,000 (not counting for delegates and electoralism.)
Tangentially, in 2020 I watched people protest police and its abusive practices, then when the same people got a chance to vote for the Democrat, he responded by increasing support for police nationwide.
The other reason I ask (and my tangent only reinforces this idea) is because there’s an infamous paper from Princeton in 2014 that suggests sitting politicians Don’t care what you think. -Direct source to the paper cited
Votong for somone you don’t agree with is inconceivable to me. Until much more if that hapoens nothing changes. 3rd party is fine and should be encouraged
Blame GOP voters for this mess, not others
I see the confusion. You’re not voting FOR someone. That’s not how this works.
You WILL get one of the two candidates as your next president. You vote AGAINST the worst one. It’s that simple and no simpler.
3rd party is irrelevant until we get ranked choice voting. All it does is split the main two parties and strengthen the one you hate most.
Look up “parliament” to learn why casting any vote rather than rebuilding the whole system from scratch leads to supporting tyrants
that will never be on the ballot. the active socialist position is to vote for the least worst candidate with a chance of winning and organize on the margins to build the strength for a robust insurgency movement that can break the system and make a new one. organizing under hyperfascism is much more difficult than under neoliberal fascism. it’s why big businesses switch to supporting overt fascism in times of decay. yes, the calculus is a little different if you’re in a winner take all location with a heavy majority like maryland, illinois, or idaho. in those locations, go ahead, vote 3rd party to send a message that america isn’t homogenous or a binary. or spend your day organizing on the margins. but you have to understand that the most votes a third party candidate ever mustered was 18%, and that candidate was a right wing libertarian with some very concerning views on race.
election day is all about finding a way to make the other 364 days of resistance continue to be possible. they’ve become much more difficult under the republican controlled apparatus
…The PSL.
Parliament doesn’t exist in the US you fucking dolt
Yes and there’s your problem. Instead of building a proper political system you just keep voting for tyrants all the while burning others because they voted on the wrong tyrant.
Stop voting and get your pitchforks out
Obviously
The person you responded to was also bashing third-party voting.
Honestly, I’d rather people educate themselves and vote third parties than not vote like 40% of the country did. If third parties got a large piece of the vote, they could get public funding and make their voices heard more. Sure, there’s only two sides to every issue, but you could have coalition style like in Europe.
But our two parties conspire to monopolize the seats of power just like the corporations that buy them.
I completely agree.
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when you say “as a ______,” you’re labeling the pronoun that follows as the thing you’re talking about. in this case, “as a 3rd party voter, you” implies that the person you’re responding to is the 3rd party voter, even though you’re the 3rd party voter on .ml
most people are picking up on this, and it’s a common mistake
that said, third party vote is objectively the dumb and morally wrong vote
While this is true, I guess it becomes clear in the context what they were talking about.
yea, i figured due to the downvotes lol
I could equally argue that a vote for the Democrats is objectively the dumb and morrally wrong vote and nobody likes a grammer nazi.
sure, you could argue that. and you’d be wrong yet again, because there is literally nothing to support that argument. between three options, one being the obvious worst fucking thing imaginable, one being pretty bad, but clearly and obviously better than the 100% terrible choice, and the third being…not the other two, but with basically 0% chance of success–by throwing one’s weight behind the guaranteed fail, all you’re doing is communicating to the world that it’s more important for you to be perceived as some kind of morally superior champion of…something --which btw, NO ONE perceives you as that, except for yourself-- than it is to do something, anything, no matter how small against the inevitable fascism of the first option. which…here we are now.
“grammar nazi”–i didn’t mean you to take it as i’m telling you how to write, i’m telling you that i’m taking you even less seriously when you can’t even get a handle on how to use the one language you’re trying to convince people of your position with
i’m sure you’ll find comfort in your “at least i didn’t vote for kamala” mantra as the world continues to burn around us, directly because of trump. fucking disgusting
I got halfway through and stopped reading. Your post is substanceless and only furthers to stroke someones ego. Also, your only asking of that which you do not afford me as you have said as much. I don’t see it your way.
How does it feel knowing that you’re partially responsible
Same as you feel i suppose… and you’re not going to gain any new supporters to your side by going around demonizing the people you think owe you something. -That’s a good way to lose your next election.
of course you did. you’re not here to defend your position or anything, just to act like you’re the “better person,” even though your misguided worldview does nothing but paint you as a gullible rube who thinks anyone on the planet can snap their fingers and end the genocide in gaza. i expect your next course of action will be to plug your ears and scream “LALALACANTHEARYOUUUUU”
lol go get’em tiger
Nah, the Genocide in Gaza largely didn’t motivate me. Otherwise I wouldn’t have helped Joe Biden in 2020 by voting third party but instead I would have helped Joe Biden in 2020 by voting for him directly. I simply think Gaza was a good litmus test that helped stop a lot of other people from making the decision to actively support genocide. -Which is a pretty good reason. Just not mine. My case is this, Harris is and always was a terrible establishment-candidate.
Classic rusbot blaming Dems for things republicans do.
Project much?
As a third party voter, you’re either really stupid or you know you voted for this.
same as you voting for this.
I guess by your definition i also voted for status-quo Joe Biden so i should pat myself on the back for saving democracy and voting third party.