@geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml banned me from !ManufacturingConsent@lemmy.ml (permanently!) and removed my comment from the post, because I dared to note that there are protests in Iran and shared a link to a crimethinc article with voices from within Iran. They call it “imperialist propaganda” if leftist voices from within Iran are distributed.
My comment:
I get it that the western media narrative is incredibly one-sided, focused on ideological bogeymen and focused on getting the monarch back in power. But I’d like to point out that there is in fact quite massive repression going on against the protestors. Leftist orgs in Iran need international solidarity now.
Their “reasoning”:
reason: Ignoring the post to spam imperialist propaganda
I don’t think that person can be reasoned with if they call crimethinc imperialist propaganda, so I’m not getting my hopes up for them lifting the ban.
I also think that they might be a bit butthurt, because I called out their zionistic worldview (i.e.: that judaism equates zionism) a few days ago.
Show me where I “promot[ed] imperial propaganda”. Did you read the article which clearly condemns the imperialist actors?
Edit: also, the comm actually doesn’t have any rules and the instance rules shouldn’t apply, either, afaik.
You promote imperial propaganda by giving voice to opposition one week before a US invasion of a country. The only reason why you happen to care about Iranian protestors is because of the constant western-manufactured atrocity propaganda, which doesn’t need to be fake to serve its purpose of defeatism and of making opposition to armed invasion of Iran less unpalatable among progressives. It’s the same tactic of western media overfocusing on Hamas violence in Palestine during a period of literal genocide by Israel.
What? How is citing lefitist protestors “imperialist propaganda”? Spare me your campist drivel.
That’s a lot of assumptions you make about strangers on the internet, homie.
You ignored the second half of my comment, could you respond to that part? I’m not questioning that you have good intentions, I know you do, that’s not my point. I just want you to understand that directing the conversation towards where you’re directing it right before a military attack on Iran creates an easier atmosphere for the Empire to defend its invasion. It’s almost the definition of atrocity propaganda:
“Atrocity propaganda is the spreading of information about the crimes committed by an enemy, which can be factual, but often includes or features deliberate fabrications or exaggerations. This can involve photographs, videos, illustrations, interviews, and other forms of information presentation or reporting”.
With good intentions, undoubtedly, you’re presenting information on the repression of progressives in Iran, which is a bad thing which is happening, but doing so right before the invasion amounts to atrocity propaganda by definition.
How does that apply to the crimethinc article?
Edit:
So, tell me if I got that right: You maynever criticize an enemy government of the US, or you’d be spreading “imperialist propaganda”. No matter how valid the criticism is. Otherwise, you’re enabling the US to invade.
… I didn’t know the pentagon listened to randos on lemmy. /s
The word “never” is the key point here. You may very well criticize the Iranian government and defend the progressives in the country, but I would bet 100€ that if we go 1 year back on any of your social media, you have never made this criticism before. Why now particularly, during the military buildup by the US before the imminent attack on Iran? Why specifically Iran too? Clue: it’s because the imperial propaganda apparatus has decided that discussing the repression in Iran right now is the agenda, as part of a larger atrocity propaganda campaign.
You’d lose that bet. as I said: that’s a bunch of assumptions you just *make about strangers on the internet.
Because there are protests in Iran right now. Read the fucking article, if you want to know “why now”. It wasn’t because I thought "hmm, the US could use another invasion right now.
Yeah, it’s definetly not because of the protests in Iran. Those are completely not happening. /s
You linked a wikipedia article, did you write it yourself?
And why exactly are those protests happening now, I wonder? Maybe because the US+EU imposed a sanction regime on Iran that has destroyed the national currency’s exchange value and massively impoverished the vast majority of the population? I’m sure that’s also coincidental and has nothing to do with attempts at regime change in the country. It’s not like the US has ever explicitly said that it applies economic sanctions to create hunger, desperation and overthrow of governments. Oh, wait…
You said that now is the first time I’d be interested in iranian protests. The article describes a time when I showed solidarity for iranian protest movements before.
Yes. The article mentions (and condemns) this, as well. Read the fucking article, you troll.