People leaving countries tend to not like them as much as those who choose to stay. Lots of people left China after the communists first took power. I work with a few Chinese ex-pats, and they don’t seem to dislike China at all, and visit often. Moreover, people within China approve their government at rates exceeding 90%. This is consistent and regularly found. You’re trying to paint a negative picture on the web, but the vast majority of Chinese citizens seem to like China, despite your fearmongering.
I implore you to actually listen to Chinese citizens, and hard data showing consistent and strong satisfaction within China. You seem to be working backwards from the conclusion “China bad,” and jump to any evidence backing that, no matter how flimsy.
Chinese citizens have to tow the line. The company I worked for had operations there, when our guys meet with counterparts then and ask probing questions everyone clams up, and one off to the side says we can’t talk about bad things.
If you go against it you have reprogramming training classes.
We even have Chinese police stations here in Canada and they go knocking on doors because a Chinese citizen has said something negative about the homeland. And coerce them into going back to the mainland.
This is not me reading it on the web, this is coworkers at the house when it happens to their room mates.
Stop trying to make China a utopia it is not. I agree with Socialism, but not a dictatorship.
It woukd seem you are being paid to promote China propaganda, or you are severely deluded to what goes on there.
A survey of citizens that know they cannot speak ll without retribution to them or their family, will always look positive.
Please use some critical thinking here.
There’s no such thing as brainwashing, or “reprogramming” as you call it. The idea that one can force the mind of another into believing something contrary to reality via “mind control” was invented by Edward Hunter, as a way to explain why Chinese soldiers supported socialism during the Korean War. The CIA tried to make it happen with projects like MK Ultra, which all failed to produce any evidence that brainwashing is possible.
China isn’t a utopia, it has a long way to go, but it’s a socialist country where the working classes are in control of the state. China is more democratic than Canada, where capitalists dominate the state and the government gives standing ovations to Nazis.
I wish I was paid by the CPC to debunk anticommunist myths and promote socialism, but instead I pay dues to the org I work with. It’s because I study China and Marxism-Leninism that I support them. If you want an introduction to the Chinese system of socialism, I recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners. It’s helpful for understanding how China’s system works.
I think it’s pretty clear by now that I have the beliefs I do because I’ve put a great deal of effort into studying China, Marxism-Leninism, and have looked into common allegations against them as part of that process. I’d appreciate it if you didn’t try to explain that away by calling me “deluded.” Even if I were paid by the CPC, it wouldn’t change the merit of what I have to say one bit, it would only reveal motive.
A survey of citizens that know they cannot speak ll without retribution to them or their family, will always look positive. Please use some critical thinking here.
Brainwashing by some pseudo mind control is not how it works, its indoctrination by rote.
Same as cults or religious faith. There core belief is altered to somebody elses way.
Of course if you were paid it would change the merit.
You seriously don’t seem to understand critical thinking.
And this is a waste of time
There’s no “indoctrination by rote.” Again, the CIA tried to do this, and could not get it to work. This is a conspiracy theory. Further, whether or not I get paid to write what I do has no impact on the truth of what I say, like I already said it would just prove motivation for it, but the claims themselves are independent of that motive.
I understand critical thinking well enough, resorting to insults when you can’t effectively counter the points I raise doesn’t help your points, it hurts them rhetorically.
It is not an insult, it is fact. You are spouting rhetoric without actually thinking about what you relay.
CIA tries over a small period in an experiment, bad results.
But Dude look up cults and how their leaders get them to do things like drink poison or murder for them. Or have a extreme group suicide bomb themselves. Indoctrination.
If you raise a kid and tell him everyday that black people are bad, they believe it and perpetuate it. Indoctrination.
You are being what the rest of the world criticizes China for doing to its citizens. Being single minded with out a way to see past the delusions, and regurgitate random info without actually disseminating the root of things.
Again, you thinking being paid or not doesn’t change the merit , it absolutely does.
Just like when red state newspapers report on news: they have to slant it to favour the payer or you don’t get paid. It’s how control works.
If you don’t see this, then that is highly unfortunate that you can’t see the truth.
If you go against it you have reprogramming training classes.
No, that’s not a thing.
We even have Chinese police stations here in Canada
No, you don’t. That’s not a real thing, either. You’re just regurgitating Cold War II propaganda nonsense you saw on TV.
This is not me reading it on the web, this is coworkers at the house when it happens to their room mates.
Why are you making shit up? At this point I think you made the company up, too.
It woukd seem you are being paid to promote China propaganda, or you are severely deluded to what goes on there.
I think you’re projecting. Why are you peddling anti-China lies for free?
A survey of citizens that know they cannot speak ll without retribution to them or their family, will always look positive.
During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
Please use some critical thinking here.
I am. They lead me to believe you’re full of shit.
People leaving countries tend to not like them as much as those who choose to stay. Lots of people left China after the communists first took power. I work with a few Chinese ex-pats, and they don’t seem to dislike China at all, and visit often. Moreover, people within China approve their government at rates exceeding 90%. This is consistent and regularly found. You’re trying to paint a negative picture on the web, but the vast majority of Chinese citizens seem to like China, despite your fearmongering.
I implore you to actually listen to Chinese citizens, and hard data showing consistent and strong satisfaction within China. You seem to be working backwards from the conclusion “China bad,” and jump to any evidence backing that, no matter how flimsy.
Chinese citizens have to tow the line. The company I worked for had operations there, when our guys meet with counterparts then and ask probing questions everyone clams up, and one off to the side says we can’t talk about bad things.
If you go against it you have reprogramming training classes.
We even have Chinese police stations here in Canada and they go knocking on doors because a Chinese citizen has said something negative about the homeland. And coerce them into going back to the mainland. This is not me reading it on the web, this is coworkers at the house when it happens to their room mates.
Stop trying to make China a utopia it is not. I agree with Socialism, but not a dictatorship.
It woukd seem you are being paid to promote China propaganda, or you are severely deluded to what goes on there.
A survey of citizens that know they cannot speak ll without retribution to them or their family, will always look positive. Please use some critical thinking here.
There’s no such thing as brainwashing, or “reprogramming” as you call it. The idea that one can force the mind of another into believing something contrary to reality via “mind control” was invented by Edward Hunter, as a way to explain why Chinese soldiers supported socialism during the Korean War. The CIA tried to make it happen with projects like MK Ultra, which all failed to produce any evidence that brainwashing is possible.
China isn’t a utopia, it has a long way to go, but it’s a socialist country where the working classes are in control of the state. China is more democratic than Canada, where capitalists dominate the state and the government gives standing ovations to Nazis.
I wish I was paid by the CPC to debunk anticommunist myths and promote socialism, but instead I pay dues to the org I work with. It’s because I study China and Marxism-Leninism that I support them. If you want an introduction to the Chinese system of socialism, I recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics: A Guide for Foreigners. It’s helpful for understanding how China’s system works.
I think it’s pretty clear by now that I have the beliefs I do because I’ve put a great deal of effort into studying China, Marxism-Leninism, and have looked into common allegations against them as part of that process. I’d appreciate it if you didn’t try to explain that away by calling me “deluded.” Even if I were paid by the CPC, it wouldn’t change the merit of what I have to say one bit, it would only reveal motive.
I suggest reading Support for government in China: is the data accurate?
Brainwashing by some pseudo mind control is not how it works, its indoctrination by rote. Same as cults or religious faith. There core belief is altered to somebody elses way.
Of course if you were paid it would change the merit.
You seriously don’t seem to understand critical thinking. And this is a waste of time
Have a good evening.
Good thing you’re immune to it
There’s no “indoctrination by rote.” Again, the CIA tried to do this, and could not get it to work. This is a conspiracy theory. Further, whether or not I get paid to write what I do has no impact on the truth of what I say, like I already said it would just prove motivation for it, but the claims themselves are independent of that motive.
I understand critical thinking well enough, resorting to insults when you can’t effectively counter the points I raise doesn’t help your points, it hurts them rhetorically.
It is not an insult, it is fact. You are spouting rhetoric without actually thinking about what you relay. CIA tries over a small period in an experiment, bad results.
But Dude look up cults and how their leaders get them to do things like drink poison or murder for them. Or have a extreme group suicide bomb themselves. Indoctrination.
If you raise a kid and tell him everyday that black people are bad, they believe it and perpetuate it. Indoctrination.
You are being what the rest of the world criticizes China for doing to its citizens. Being single minded with out a way to see past the delusions, and regurgitate random info without actually disseminating the root of things.
Again, you thinking being paid or not doesn’t change the merit , it absolutely does.
Just like when red state newspapers report on news: they have to slant it to favour the payer or you don’t get paid. It’s how control works.
If you don’t see this, then that is highly unfortunate that you can’t see the truth.
No, that’s not a thing.
No, you don’t. That’s not a real thing, either. You’re just regurgitating Cold War II propaganda nonsense you saw on TV.
Why are you making shit up? At this point I think you made the company up, too.
I think you’re projecting. Why are you peddling anti-China lies for free?
During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
I am. They lead me to believe you’re full of shit.