In a press conference this week on New York City’s $12 billion budget gap, Mayor Zohran Mamdani zeroed in on the previous administration’s artificial intelligence chatbot as one of “a number of different things we’re going to pursue for savings.”

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    21 hours ago

    I just headed over to .ml and did a local search for “mamdani”

    I see a bunch of the more conservatives Democrats and their supporters complaining about him and conservatives of all stripes are really hoping he’ll fail.

    I’ve been called a tankie several times and I rather like Mamdani. I see him, AOC, and Sanders as the best hope for the future of the US.

    Where are these tankies that hate Mamdani so much? What do they hate him for?

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      They don’t.

      There’s two main criticisms of Zohran that come from the left.

      One is that while good, his victory is going to be limited because the mayor has little power to enact systematic change. The keeping of Tisch (likely to avoid a war with Hochul he can’t win) is a point for this

      The second is that it reinforces the Democratic party which actively opposes socialism, by giving it a face of that. And that in that way it also serves to dilute actual revolutionary energy, etc.

      You don’t have to agree with those arguments - I don’t fully. But those are them. But considering the person here is hitting a shitlib trifecta - screaming about tankies and horseshoe theory, conspiracy theories about Russian bots, and claiming “nuance” when caught in obvious contradictions - theyre not going to make an actual argument. Just claim ownership of the left for the center, again.

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        Authoritarian-Communist.

        Named after the mostly Marxist-Leninist leftists who supported the Soviets brutality in the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, when they sent into tanks to kill the student democratic uprising.

        Used by non-auth leftists for decades, past few years some centrists and rightists have started using it for anything left that they don’t like as calling everyone communists wasn’t working any more. These days it generally means anyone who supports China, Russia, blames Ukraine, etc.

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          11 hours ago

          The irony of the use in respect to Ukraine is that they’re calling anyone not wanting to send tanks a tankie.

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            11 hours ago

            That’s not ironic, because they’re not calling for the tanks to crush innocent people but to stop imperialist invaders.

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              As long as someone else gets drafted to die in the trenches, right?

              You’re either disingenuous or beyond naive about ethnic and nationalistic conflict.

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                How about Russia doesn’t invade Ukraine and no one has to get fucking drafted.

                Tankies love imperialism, it’s sickening how willing you are to throw innocent lives away.

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                  Yeah, I’m not a tankie, my little chickenhawk. Just an actual communist who understands “no war but class war”. But I guess cheering on more troops into the grinder seems fine to you from far away.

                  Živio Tito, smrt fašizmu, sloboda narodu, i jebem ti majku.

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                    Good than you understand lending critical support to the people of Ukraine in their valiant struggle against Russian imperialism.

                    It’s laughable how some people say Ukraine should not be defended, but never say Russia should stop invading.

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      19 hours ago

      Where are these tankies that hate Mamdani so much? What do they hate him for?

      I have seen a few, here is one I saved from some time back.

      https://lemmy.ml/post/39249375

      A lot of things get removed from .ml so its hard to go back find things sometimes. If you are around lemmy a while you will find quite a few takes from tankies.

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            🤣 zero (intentional) irony. Not you, you couldn’t possibly be taken by a CIA psyop!

            Consider this: if that’s true, why does the West take in Nazis and brutally crush AES? Perhaps you could actually dig into what Operation Gladio and Operation Condor did.

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              Not you, you couldn’t possibly be taken by a CIA psyop!

              Anyone can, we are all people.

              Still, tankies are simps for authoritarians. Further they discourage electoralism which is a big form of organizing here in the west. I’ve said it before, elections are not the end all be all, but it is a mistake to neglect them as they do add credibility to our movements and shifts the overton window to our favor. If anything tankies are the best form of the left that J Edgar Hoover would have wanted for us; unwilling to enage and toxic.

              Anyway, that is a summary of why I don’t think tankies are worth much time. Unless you have something worth talking about Im not going to engage further.

              why does the West take in Nazis and brutally crush AES? Perhaps you could actually dig into what Operation Gladio and Operation Condor did.

              Like this, two things can be wrong at the same time. Tankies have a hard time understanding that.

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        19 hours ago

        Idk, the post calls him infiltrator but there is -54 likes. It just looks like general .ml likes Mamdani.

        Also if they are removing the posts and comments against him, doesn’t that mean he is liked over there?

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          So I had a look at the voting score and only 5 of those down votes came from .ml, most are from .world accounts.

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          doesn’t that mean he is liked over there?

          Hard to say, I have seen a few that outright don’t like him. But more of a he isn’t as far to our liking overall.

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      Oooh, I’d love to see what stupid shit they are complaining about.

      “Oh no! We are going to have healthcare again! Stop him!”

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      19 hours ago

      something something he kept a “genocide supporter” on his cabinet

      note, the biggest compliant about him from the other side is that he has too many pro-palestinians in his cabinet