The only people saying that are the clueless Americans. Everybody in Europe understands that the war started in 2014 when russia invaded Donbas, Luhansk, and Crimea.
But this is wrong, still. Crimea joined the Russian Federation, and Donetsk and Luhansk seceded, in response to the far-right Banderite coup.
Ukraine has as much of a Nazi problem as the US, France, Germany, Poland, or any other country on the planet. Sure, there definitely are Neo-Nazis there - like everywhere else. But the narrative was that the government was “overrun” by them, where in fact the most right-wing party received 6% in 2014 and less than 2% in 2019. Meaning, as of right now, there no fundamentalist right-wingers in the parliament, much less so in the government.
The Banderites were the ones that overthrew Yanukovych, and as a consequence have been emboldened by the state. The far-right governs Ukraine.
Define “western interference”.
People sending food and blankets to the protesters? Yeah, there was that.
Western governments silently supporting whoever opposed Yanukovych? Possibly, maybe. But those people weren’t really doing much.
CIA/Mossad inciting the streets to rebel against the government in an attempt to coup Yanukovych and install a pro-western ruler? Yeah, that one’s lunacy. Yanukovych got in power because he promised a more pro-western route in politics, the people wanted to be a part of the EU and NATO since 2001. Then, in 2013 things were starting to look really promising for Ukraine, and exactly then Putin ordered Yanukovych to reverse course, because he was afraid about his oil contracts. When Yanukovych did that, people went to the streets.
None of the to-date released documents mention him as a guest or client of Epstein, so I don’t even know where is this coming from.
Kiev is a gangster state with immense corruption. I haven’t seen any direct Epstein ties, but it would be unsurprising.
The “secession” was made by russian troops illegally entering the sovereign territory of Ukraine. The “referendums” were made under threat of violence from armed russian soldiers.
The reality is that the war started because Ukrainians wanted to join the West, found oil and gas reserves and already had contracts with BP and Shell for extraction, all the while Moscow’s contracts were expiring in 2023.
Nah, this is bullshit. Yanukovych was very popular in the regions that seceded:
The Banderites wanted to move towards the imperialist west, but Yanukovych wanted to go with the Russian loan that didn’t require austerity politics and impoverishing Ukrainians even further. That’s why the west supported the coup.
That’s one of the most hilarious things I’ve read in a while :D
Lol, you accuse Zelensky of being connected to Epstein but after providing exhausting links about Western involvement in Euromaiden (fine we helped, fuck Putin and his corrupt mafia regime, that is insanely well documented) you fail to provide a single link/email/document on Zelensky being linked to Epstein despite millions of Epstein files on the net.
Secondly you’ve not provided any proof that Zelensky is a “gangster” (a well known celebrity comedian, who some how forced Russia to invade Ukraine 4 years in 2014, before he even became president… Where do you dumb fucks get this shit from?)
Thirdly Russia had to invade and hold phony referendums in order to somehow prove eastern Ukraine didn’t want to become part of Europe.
Secondly you’ve not provided any proof that Zelensky is a “gangster”
I think Cowbee said “Kiev is a gangster state with immense corruption” which is a bit different.
For almost 2 years, people have been violently kidnapped from the streets, thanks to this totally non-gangster state, after they loosened the laws (which Zelensky signed, BTW). For example, here (violence warning!) is a yesterday video from Odessa. And we get video like this every day. It’s like ICE in US, but much worse because people can’t protest against it due to ongoing war.
And recently we had a ton of corruption scandals tied to Zelensky’s inner circle. You can just scroll below, someone already linked.
Yep, this is correct. I was more pointing to the mass corruption in Kiev, than Zelensky as a literal mafioso, though of course Zelensky is in on it as well.
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But this is wrong, still. Crimea joined the Russian Federation, and Donetsk and Luhansk seceded, in response to the far-right Banderite coup.
The Banderites were the ones that overthrew Yanukovych, and as a consequence have been emboldened by the state. The far-right governs Ukraine.
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Kiev is a gangster state with immense corruption. I haven’t seen any direct Epstein ties, but it would be unsurprising.
Nah, this is bullshit. Yanukovych was very popular in the regions that seceded:
The Banderites wanted to move towards the imperialist west, but Yanukovych wanted to go with the Russian loan that didn’t require austerity politics and impoverishing Ukrainians even further. That’s why the west supported the coup.
Laughter instead of responding isn’t a point.
Lol, you accuse Zelensky of being connected to Epstein but after providing exhausting links about Western involvement in Euromaiden (fine we helped, fuck Putin and his corrupt mafia regime, that is insanely well documented) you fail to provide a single link/email/document on Zelensky being linked to Epstein despite millions of Epstein files on the net.
Secondly you’ve not provided any proof that Zelensky is a “gangster” (a well known celebrity comedian, who some how forced Russia to invade Ukraine 4 years in 2014, before he even became president… Where do you dumb fucks get this shit from?)
Thirdly Russia had to invade and hold phony referendums in order to somehow prove eastern Ukraine didn’t want to become part of Europe.
Keep on making shit up you dumb ass.
I think Cowbee said “Kiev is a gangster state with immense corruption” which is a bit different.
For almost 2 years, people have been violently kidnapped from the streets, thanks to this totally non-gangster state, after they loosened the laws (which Zelensky signed, BTW). For example, here (violence warning!) is a yesterday video from Odessa. And we get video like this every day. It’s like ICE in US, but much worse because people can’t protest against it due to ongoing war.
And recently we had a ton of corruption scandals tied to Zelensky’s inner circle. You can just scroll below, someone already linked.
Yep, this is correct. I was more pointing to the mass corruption in Kiev, than Zelensky as a literal mafioso, though of course Zelensky is in on it as well.
Epstein talking to Larry Summers about Zelensky reaching out to him for advice
Lmao, not beating the allegiations
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I never accused Zelensky of being connected to Epstein, that was another commenter. I haven’t seen the claim myself yet.
Secondly, the massive corruption scandals in Ukraine are reported even by the west, so I figured you’d have seen it.
Third, the Russian Federation assisted the LPR and DPR after they requested Russian assistance against Kiev, who had been shelling them for a decade.
Not making anything up.