Headline aside, the thread pretty clearly outlines that the US side were doing everything to prevent an actual genocide, even suggesting the neighboring arab states secure the gaza strip temporarily.
The major quotes about genocide being the plan were by the Israeli military veteran and ambassador to the US Michael Herzog, not the US.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group, according to Merriam Webster dictionary. Genocide is the murder of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group, with the aim of destroying that nation or group, according to Oxford.
The fact that we’re still talking about Palestine under Trump means it wasn’t eradicated under Biden. I’m sure the Israelis always planned for Genocide but I’m sure Biden was working to prevent it.
I’m sure the Israelis always planned for Genocide but I’m sure Biden was working to prevent it.
So the op is about how Biden was not doing anything to prevent it and how he was just letting them do whatever they wanted. Did you actually read any part of it?
Are you just arguing old talking points whenever you see people being critical of how Biden handled the situation?
I know this is a wordy response but you included a full fucking amnesty international article in your reply so if anything mine is much more concise.
The Amnesty International article your shared calls on USA, Germany, UK, and other key EU members to end shipments of arms to Israel. Full stop, that was never going to happen. To remove the largest strategic military position in the region is absolutely not on the table, whether we like it or not that is a fact. All of those nations, to some extent, heavily limited arms deals to Israel after the occupation began, which was good.
Hypothetically, if we did cut off all arms to Israel, then they would be surrounded by very angry adversaries that they have been fighting for almost a century. Israel would just become another slightly different genocide and you would be sitting there explaining it to the next generation the same way the old belligerent honkies are trying to explain it to us now.
The best possible outcome, in my opinion, would have been the USA removing Netanyahu from power by not acknowledging his authority after his previous removal for corruption and forcing a new election to be held in Israel.
The most realistic outcome would be propping up the Israelis, conditionally to the extent that they could lose some land to adversaries if they’re not following the rules, and also propping up Palestine starting with the rebuilding of their infrastructure and peacekeeping with foreign troops such that any attack on Palestinians could result in conflict with those nations.
1 which wasn’t an actual ceasefire, just a temporary one which Israel could use to rearm, which is why others vetoed it. There was even a vote later to have it turn into a permanent ceasefire but then the usa vetoed that.
The draft does not include provisions supporting ongoing diplomatic efforts to secure a ceasefire - an element of the U.S. resolution.
And
RUSSIA, CHINA OBJECTED TO U.S. RESOLUTION
Russia’s ambassador to the U.N., Vassily Nebenzia, said the U.S.-led resolution was “exceedingly politicized” and contained an effective green light for Israel to mount a military operation in Rafah, a city on the southern tip of the Gaza Strip where more than half of the enclave’s 2.3 million residents have been sheltering in makeshift tents.
“This would free the hands of Israel and it would result in all of Gaza and its entire population having to face destruction, devastation, or expulsion,” Nebenzia told the meeting.
He said a number of non-permanent members of the Security Council had drafted an alternative resolution and said there was no reason for members not to support it.
China’s U.N. ambassador, Zhang Jun, criticized the text proposed by the U.S. for not clearly stating its opposition to a planned military operation by Israel in Rafah, which he said could lead to severe consequences. He said Beijing also supported the alternative.
When you have to start your argument with a fucking Merriam Webster definition, you should realize that your argument is shit. (This is of course the royal “you”)
If you look back on your exchange with Gofer you’ll find that you brought up a topic completely different from Gofer’s point not once but twice. No matter your political beliefs, that’s not good faith discussion. If anything it’s the sort of thing we (as in everyone to the left of Reagan) make fun of when right wingers and tankies do it.
Gofer presented an article. I continued the discussion presented to me. If you don’t want your statement to include the entirety of an article, then maybe just quote a piece of it and use the article as citation.
The fact that you can listen to Stromae means that not all people of Tutsi descent are dead. There is no such thing as the Rwandan genocide! I guess since there are still Jewish and Romani people, the Nazi Party were not complicit in genocide either. Clearly not. Jewish and Romani people exist to this day. Some even live in Poland! What genocide? \s
You are a deeply unserious person. There is no chance in hell that you are arguing in good faith. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
1.9 Million People live in the Gaza Strip, that’s 7 digits. Large numbers of them were displaced but still remain in Gaza, somewhere from 5 to 6 digits dead or injured, that leaves 7 digits still in Gaza. The Israelis and Trump’s Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth are talking about pushing all of them permanently out of the region, future tense.
The Rwandan Genocide happened, the Gaza Genocide is currently happening. It did not occur under Biden, would not have occurred under Harris.
Our first-hand observations of the medical and humanitarian catastrophe inflicted on Gaza are consistent with the descriptions provided by an increasing number of legal experts and organizations concluding that genocide is taking place in Gaza.
It examines the killing of civilians, damage to and destruction of civilian infrastructure, forcible displacement, the obstruction or denial of life-saving goods and humanitarian aid, and the restriction of power supplies. It analyses Israel’s intent through this pattern of conduct and statements by Israeli decision-makers. It concludes that Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.
On 26 January 2024, the ICJ said that it was plausible that Israel had breached the Genocide Convention. As an emergency measure, it ordered Israel ensure that its army refrained from genocidal acts against Palestinians.
The ICJ reported, as part of its decisions in March and May, that the situation in Gaza had deteriorated and that Israel had failed to abide by its order in January.
So, when we look at the actions taken, the dropping of thousands and thousands of bombs in a couple of days, including phosphorus bombs, as we heard, on one of the most densely populated areas around the world, together with these proclamations of intent, this indeed constitutes genocidal killing, which is the first act, according to the convention, of genocide. And Israel, I must say, is also perpetrating act number two and three — that is, causing serious bodily or mental harm, and creating condition designed to bring about the destruction of the group by cutting off water, food, supply of energy, bombing hospitals, ordering the fast evictions of hospitals, which the World Health Organization has declared to be, quote, “a death sentence.” So, we’re seeing the combination of genocidal acts with special intent. This is indeed a textbook case of genocide.
More than 800 scholars of international law and genocide have signed a public statement arguing that the Israeli military may be committing genocidal acts against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip as the total siege and relentless airstrikes continue to inflict devastation on the occupied territory.
An independent United Nations expert warned Monday that “Israel’s genocidal violence risks leaking out of Gaza and into the occupied Palestinian territory as a whole” as Western governments, corporations, and other institutions keep up their support for the Israeli military, which stands accused of grave war crimes in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.
Our documentation encompasses over 500 incitements of violence and genocidal incitement, appearing in the forms of social media posts, television interviews, and official statements from Israeli politicians, army personnel, journalists, and other influential personalities.
I, Lee Mordechai, a historian by profession and an Israeli citizen, bear witness in this document to the situation in Gaza as events are unfolding. The enormous amount of evidence I have seen, much of it referenced later in this document, has been enough for me to believe that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian population in Gaza. I explain why I chose to use the term below. Israel’s campaign is ostensibly its reaction to the Hamas massacre of Oct. 7, 2023, in which war crimes and crimes against humanity were committed within the context of the longstanding conflict between Israelis and Palestinians that can be dated back to 1917 or 1948 (or other dates). In all cases, historical grievances and atrocities do not justify additional atrocities in the present. Therefore, I consider Israel’s response to Hamas’ actions on Oct. 7 utterly disproportionate and criminal.
Let’s not pretend that Trump’s plan to forcibly remove all Palestinians from Gaza isn’t a revival of the same plan put forth by Biden behind closed doors.
The diplomat said Egypt rejected similar proposals from the Biden administration and European countries early in the war, which was sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack into southern Israel. The earlier proposals were broached privately, while Trump announced his plan at a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The only obligation the US has, under the Leahy Law and International Law, is to cease weapons transfers to Israel for violating human rights and perpetrating crimes against humanity.
Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist, he absolutely supported this genocide, both materially, diplomatically, and ideologically.
It’s been an attempted Genocide since before the festival attack ever even happened, but POTUS Joe Biden tried, albeit poorly, to stop it from succeeding. Now, under the new US admin, it is all but absolutely certain to succeed.
He didn’t, see the first link after the spoiler that has detailed accounts by human rights organizations and genocide scholars on how it has been an ongoing genocide well under Biden’s term. Optics is not action.
The Biden administration allowed Israel unprecedented leeway to carry out its military offensive, despite the enormous death and devastation it inflicted on Gaza. Former Israeli ambassador, Michael Herzog, made a startling admission about Biden’s support: “God did the State of Israel a favour that Biden was the president during this period. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted.” His remarks encapsulated a broader sentiment that the White House gave Benjamin Netanyahu all the political space he needed to execute the military offensive, which has claimed the lives of more than 52,000 Palestinians, mainly women and children.
“Unprecedented leeway to carry out its military offensive”?! Are you serious, right now?
More evidence that the world has collective amnesia of the first Trump term, Jarod Kushner was leading a whole team strategizing the Israel single state solution back then.
1.9 Million People live in the Gaza Strip, that’s 10 digits. Large numbers of them were displaced but still remain in Gaza, somewhere from 6 to 7 digits dead or injured, that leaves 10 digits still in Gaza
Uh… What? 1.9 is 7 digits, of which there were conservatively estimated to be 6 digits of dead by mid-2024. By the most conservative estimate possible, more than 10% of Gazans were fucking dead by the time your dear Biden left office.
The Israelis and Trump’s Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth are talking about pushing all of them permanently out of the region, future tense.
Yeah Biden leaned on Egypt and Jordan to accept exactly the same thing also in mid-2024 and was told to go fuck himself. For now Israel is blocking out all aid, which is the exact same thing it did at the start of the war under Biden.
40000 is the number of people directly killed (as in shot or or blown to bits) by the IDF who the Gaza Health Ministry physically counted. That’s not an estimate, that’s a number you then use to make an estimate, like this one. If you have a study counting indirect deaths and producing a number less than this, then let’s see it, because otherwise this is a full six digits.
“Biden gimme more bombs and bullets to kill more people. Also bring over your army tp shoot down all drones and missiles Iran could send to us.”
[1] “Nope, fuck off.”
[2] “Sure honey. While we are it, can you also publicly humiliate me? I will also state how i am a great Zionism supporter and i will stay by your side unwaveringly”
Again, it was just optics. The US continued to deliver other bombs and Israel continued to massacre with them.
Also remember the entire “Aid pier” shenanigangs? All this alleged humanitarian tool ended up being used for was as a spearhead for a clandestine military operation hidden in aid trucks.
Reagan ended Israels attacks on Lebanon with a phone call. All Biden had to do was saying: “you dont get shit and we dont cover your ass unless ceasefire and full humanitarian access.”
Biden supported genocide. The genocide is committed with US weapons and he kept sending them. He even broke US laws to send them.
Also remember the entire “Aid pier” shenanigangs? All this alleged humanitarian tool ended up being used for was as a spearhead for a clandestine military operation hidden in aid trucks.
They do, but are saying it is an example of how Biden was trying to help gaza and Palestinians 😑🙃
10/ ➤ He also revealed there were internal discussions in Washington about Biden giving a speech to pressure Israel politically, possibly triggering new elections there—but Biden backed off.
And
17/ 5. Biden Backed Israel Even After Netanyahu Publicly Undermined & Insulted Him
➤ Biden once told Netanyahu he was “full of shit,” and hung up the phone mid-call. But as Ambassador Tom Nides put it: “Biden saw [Netanyahu] as a manipulator, a magician… But he stood by him through the end.”
The fact that you can type all that and not see the truth of my words is astonishing. I don’t pretend the Biden admin approach was good, but he very clearly did not want a genocide.
If he very clearly didn’t want a genocide, wouldn’t he have taken action that would prevent it (or as much of it as reasonably possible) from continuing instead of just saying “You gotta stop it Jack!”?
He never once promoted or sought any Israel single state solution and was openly speaking with neighboring islamic states about ways to maintain Palestine in some meaningful way. He withheld large bomb shipments that Israel paid for, the intention being to keep them from being used on the raid of Rafah. Biden would spend large amounts of time on the phone with Netanyahu, often swearing and criticizing him. The aid pier distributed millions of pounds of food directly to Gaza Strip, quite the “empty gesture” that other commenters claim.
You all might think that amounts to nothing, but it’s a hell of a lot worse now that Biden is gone and Trump is in charge. I place the blame squarely on the criminal Israeli leadership, Netanyahu should have been removed from power when he was tried for corruption several years ago.
He withheld 2000lb bombs but eagerly sent them everything else, even to the point of ignoring our own laws.
Biden would spend large amounts of time on the phone with Netanyahu, often swearing and criticizing him.
And yet gave him everything he wanted and covered for Israel in the un
The aid pier distributed millions of pounds of food directly to Gaza Strip, quite the “empty gesture” that other commenters claim.
That seemingly lasted only long enough to help do a military raid into gaza.
I place the blame squarely on the criminal Israeli leadership, Netanyahu should have been removed from power when he was tried for corruption several years ago.
Agreed. Although notice it didnt do anything to stop Biden from working with such a piece of shit.
Headline aside, the thread pretty clearly outlines that the US side were doing everything to prevent an actual genocide, even suggesting the neighboring arab states secure the gaza strip temporarily.
The major quotes about genocide being the plan were by the Israeli military veteran and ambassador to the US Michael Herzog, not the US.
Because there wasn’t an actual genocide in Gaza already? If they were trying to prevent a genocide they were failing miserably.
Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group, according to Merriam Webster dictionary. Genocide is the murder of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group, with the aim of destroying that nation or group, according to Oxford.
The fact that we’re still talking about Palestine under Trump means it wasn’t eradicated under Biden. I’m sure the Israelis always planned for Genocide but I’m sure Biden was working to prevent it.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/
So the op is about how Biden was not doing anything to prevent it and how he was just letting them do whatever they wanted. Did you actually read any part of it?
Are you just arguing old talking points whenever you see people being critical of how Biden handled the situation?
I know this is a wordy response but you included a full fucking amnesty international article in your reply so if anything mine is much more concise.
The Amnesty International article your shared calls on USA, Germany, UK, and other key EU members to end shipments of arms to Israel. Full stop, that was never going to happen. To remove the largest strategic military position in the region is absolutely not on the table, whether we like it or not that is a fact. All of those nations, to some extent, heavily limited arms deals to Israel after the occupation began, which was good.
Hypothetically, if we did cut off all arms to Israel, then they would be surrounded by very angry adversaries that they have been fighting for almost a century. Israel would just become another slightly different genocide and you would be sitting there explaining it to the next generation the same way the old belligerent honkies are trying to explain it to us now.
The best possible outcome, in my opinion, would have been the USA removing Netanyahu from power by not acknowledging his authority after his previous removal for corruption and forcing a new election to be held in Israel.
The most realistic outcome would be propping up the Israelis, conditionally to the extent that they could lose some land to adversaries if they’re not following the rules, and also propping up Palestine starting with the rebuilding of their infrastructure and peacekeeping with foreign troops such that any attack on Palestinians could result in conflict with those nations.
I love you ignored the part of it being a genocide which is why I linked it.
And ignored the part of reading the article about how Biden refused to stop the genocide.
Now your argument is somehow rebuilding Palestinian land and doing peacekeeping, which again was something the us under Biden vetoed at the un
The US also proposed ceasefires to the UN which were also Vetoed by China.
1 which wasn’t an actual ceasefire, just a temporary one which Israel could use to rearm, which is why others vetoed it. There was even a vote later to have it turn into a permanent ceasefire but then the usa vetoed that.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-fails-pass-us-resolution-calling-immediate-ceasefire-gaza-2024-03-22/
And
I’m sure Russia and China are real worried about those people. /s
Dude, you know you’ve lost the plot when you’re resorting to deflecting and whataboutism.
When you have to start your argument with a fucking Merriam Webster definition, you should realize that your argument is shit. (This is of course the royal “you”)
Clearly my good faith discussion was wasted on you and Gofer.
If you look back on your exchange with Gofer you’ll find that you brought up a topic completely different from Gofer’s point not once but twice. No matter your political beliefs, that’s not good faith discussion. If anything it’s the sort of thing we (as in everyone to the left of Reagan) make fun of when right wingers and tankies do it.
Gofer presented an article. I continued the discussion presented to me. If you don’t want your statement to include the entirety of an article, then maybe just quote a piece of it and use the article as citation.
The fact that you can listen to Stromae means that not all people of Tutsi descent are dead. There is no such thing as the Rwandan genocide! I guess since there are still Jewish and Romani people, the Nazi Party were not complicit in genocide either. Clearly not. Jewish and Romani people exist to this day. Some even live in Poland! What genocide? \s
You are a deeply unserious person. There is no chance in hell that you are arguing in good faith. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
1.9 Million People live in the Gaza Strip, that’s 7 digits. Large numbers of them were displaced but still remain in Gaza, somewhere from 5 to 6 digits dead or injured, that leaves 7 digits still in Gaza. The Israelis and Trump’s Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth are talking about pushing all of them permanently out of the region, future tense.
The Rwandan Genocide happened, the Gaza Genocide is currently happening. It did not occur under Biden, would not have occurred under Harris.
EDIT: rough morning, digit numbers fixed
It's been a genocide for over a year
Others: AP News, Time, Reuters, Vox, CBC
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Let’s not pretend that Trump’s plan to forcibly remove all Palestinians from Gaza isn’t a revival of the same plan put forth by Biden behind closed doors.
The only obligation the US has, under the Leahy Law and International Law, is to cease weapons transfers to Israel for violating human rights and perpetrating crimes against humanity.
Biden is a self proclaimed Zionist, he absolutely supported this genocide, both materially, diplomatically, and ideologically.
It’s been an attempted Genocide since before the festival attack ever even happened, but POTUS Joe Biden tried, albeit poorly, to stop it from succeeding. Now, under the new US admin, it is all but absolutely certain to succeed.
He didn’t, see the first link after the spoiler that has detailed accounts by human rights organizations and genocide scholars on how it has been an ongoing genocide well under Biden’s term. Optics is not action.
“Unprecedented leeway to carry out its military offensive”?! Are you serious, right now?
More evidence that the world has collective amnesia of the first Trump term, Jarod Kushner was leading a whole team strategizing the Israel single state solution back then.
Uh… What? 1.9 is 7 digits, of which there were conservatively estimated to be 6 digits of dead by mid-2024. By the most conservative estimate possible, more than 10% of Gazans were fucking dead by the time your dear Biden left office.
Yeah Biden leaned on Egypt and Jordan to accept exactly the same thing also in mid-2024 and was told to go fuck himself. For now Israel is blocking out all aid, which is the exact same thing it did at the start of the war under Biden.
I thank you for correcting my zero count, I will do the same for you, 40,000 is only 5. It’s been a rough morning for me.
40000 is the number of people directly killed (as in shot or or blown to bits) by the IDF who the Gaza Health Ministry physically counted. That’s not an estimate, that’s a number you then use to make an estimate, like this one. If you have a study counting indirect deaths and producing a number less than this, then let’s see it, because otherwise this is a full six digits.
I didn’t use that number, you did. You brought up the mid-2024 conservative estimate.
“Biden gimme more bombs and bullets to kill more people. Also bring over your army tp shoot down all drones and missiles Iran could send to us.”
[1] “Nope, fuck off.”
[2] “Sure honey. While we are it, can you also publicly humiliate me? I will also state how i am a great Zionism supporter and i will stay by your side unwaveringly”
Biden actually withheld several shipments of large bombs that Israel paid for, and later Trump bragged about shipping them out.
The fact of the matter is the Biden admin never supported a single state solution or genocide while the Trump admin does and then some.
Your distrust of the Biden admin is exactly what Netanyahu wanted, and it succeeded beyond anybody’s wildest dreams.
Again, it was just optics. The US continued to deliver other bombs and Israel continued to massacre with them.
Also remember the entire “Aid pier” shenanigangs? All this alleged humanitarian tool ended up being used for was as a spearhead for a clandestine military operation hidden in aid trucks.
Reagan ended Israels attacks on Lebanon with a phone call. All Biden had to do was saying: “you dont get shit and we dont cover your ass unless ceasefire and full humanitarian access.”
Biden supported genocide. The genocide is committed with US weapons and he kept sending them. He even broke US laws to send them.
Look at actions not at words.
They do, but are saying it is an example of how Biden was trying to help gaza and Palestinians 😑🙃
No its literally biden doing his best to let it continue
https://bsky.app/profile/dropsitenews.com/post/3lnvbkvojms2p
Further on
And
The fact that you can type all that and not see the truth of my words is astonishing. I don’t pretend the Biden admin approach was good, but he very clearly did not want a genocide.
If he very clearly didn’t want a genocide, wouldn’t he have taken action that would prevent it (or as much of it as reasonably possible) from continuing instead of just saying “You gotta stop it Jack!”?
They dont seem to accept “actions speak louder than words”
Which parts od ot do you think are positive for biden?
Which parts do you think show he was against the genocide?
He never once promoted or sought any Israel single state solution and was openly speaking with neighboring islamic states about ways to maintain Palestine in some meaningful way. He withheld large bomb shipments that Israel paid for, the intention being to keep them from being used on the raid of Rafah. Biden would spend large amounts of time on the phone with Netanyahu, often swearing and criticizing him. The aid pier distributed millions of pounds of food directly to Gaza Strip, quite the “empty gesture” that other commenters claim.
You all might think that amounts to nothing, but it’s a hell of a lot worse now that Biden is gone and Trump is in charge. I place the blame squarely on the criminal Israeli leadership, Netanyahu should have been removed from power when he was tried for corruption several years ago.
He withheld 2000lb bombs but eagerly sent them everything else, even to the point of ignoring our own laws.
And yet gave him everything he wanted and covered for Israel in the un
That seemingly lasted only long enough to help do a military raid into gaza.
Agreed. Although notice it didnt do anything to stop Biden from working with such a piece of shit.