Thiel needs to be turned into soup.
The fascist noose is tightening the world over thanks to proprietary big tech. We have to escape now while we can to open-source alternatives.
Currently the best (in my subjective opinion) self-hostable, encrypted and federated (like lemmy/piefed) alternative is Movim.
It offers 90% of the features of Discord, including group video calls, group texts, and even screensharing with audio (must use a Chromium based browser currently to share the audio). The only feature missing is discord-style rooms, which the dev is currently working on to release as fast as possible.
It doesn’t even require an email to create an account, and runs right in your browser, so it has an extremely low barrier to entry. Give it a try with a friend to see if it can meet your needs! :D
For a more complete guide to swapping proprietary apps for safe open-source ones, I suggest referring to this post: https://lemmy.cafe/post/18663514
all these services are going to need to communicate with eachother to make it easier for people to leave the mainstream ones.
literally choose your client to use to join the server, it should be possible at some point. servers that can accept other clients, even self hosted clients.
all of you devs may go bald, but that is the sacrifice I’m willing to make.
literally choose your client to use to join the server, it should be possible at some point. servers that can accept other clients, even self hosted clients.
That is what XMPP, which Movim uses, allows today. There are many XMPP clients available that can all federate and communicate with each other, and anyone can self-host an XMPP server. I’m only pointing people to Movim since it is the most full featured client and keeps things simple (which is very important when onboarding new less technical users).
If you mean that truly all services should federate, like even Matrix, Signal, etc… that’s technically possible if every company and developer agreed to a single standard, but practically impossible as they will never agree to that single standard for various reasons (NIH syndrome, lack of control to create profit or lock in users, ego, legitimate different use-cases, etc).
didn’t know that about XMPP, gonna read up on it.
I’d recommend this well presented short talk on it to get a quick rundown :)
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This is simply incorrect. How is balant lying excusable in this situation? We shouldn’t forget about the fact that there was a massive leak of sensitive information from discord - this alone should strengthen the premise that their supposed intentions are not equal to what they factually do.
It is a drive towards fascism, the corpos and the state has no right to be disrespecting children and the youth, to do a thing they promise to do yet do the exact opposite.
I get that you can replace Discord with Matrix.
But why are people using discord over signal+jitsi in the first place?
Is it just for parasocial relationships?
Because the servers I follow aren’t on matrix, signal or jitsi, and neither are any of my friends.
Convenience, lack of perceived cost or complexity at the beginning of a new mainstream platform. Then just because their friends are there.
I just wanted to remind everyone that the age verification was not mandatory. You can still use Discord without submitting any data. You will simply lose access to some servers. Depending on your use cases this can be completely acceptable.
“Sure, the ship is sinking, but the water hasn’t reached my cabin yet. Why is everyone overreacting?”
No one is stuck on Discord. You can leave whenever you want.
Absolutely. I’m just saying this verification won’t stop with 18+ servers. This is just the beginning of having to show I’d to access anything and, IMO, should be fought against now.
I’m not saying they will not start asking everyone for ID. I’m just saying that for now they are not doing that so unless you want to leave Discord in protest it’s fine to keep using it.
You think its OK to ask kids for this info who don’t know any better?
Depending on your use cases this can be completely acceptable.
No, it isn’t. Think about what you are saying.
I mean that if someone wants to self host matrix just to chat with a small group of friends they can just as well use Discord. The age verification is about access to restricted servers. You can still use it for your private servers without sending any documents.
No one is asking kids to send their data. They are asking adults to verify they are adults. Why would kids verify that their are kids? As for kids sending their data for no reason I think it’s up the their parents to teach them how to use internet.
In a world where the boogeymen of Palantir and nation-state bad actors plundering personal data are actually real, saying “no one is asking kids to send their data” is beyond naive, it’s putting your head in the sand.
This is why the age verification thing is bad… IT ISNT ABOUT THE KIDS.
Both the motivation and the goal of these checkpass type systems is to collect your data!
You started talking about kids for some reason. Now you’re saying it’s actually not about kids. Maybe think about it for a moment and then tell me again what the problem is.
I just wanted to remind everyone that the age verification was not mandatory. You can still use Discord without submitting any data. You will simply lose access to some servers. Depending on your use cases this can be completely acceptable.
Are you an idiot?
Following the announcement of Discord’s new age verification policy - already in force in the UK and Australia, with a global rollout beginning in early March - social media users shared screengrabs of prompts to consent to Persona collecting their data over the weekend.
As I understood the above paragraph from the article, two things are happening that Persona is involved in:
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The implementation of an age verification system, that may or may not be required for all servers.
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Users are being asked about consent on mining their data, that may (according to the FAQ) be kept for up to a week.
And from the FAQ:
If you’re located in the UK, you may be part of an experiment where your information will be processed by an age-assurance vendor, Persona. The information you submit will be temporarily stored for up to 7 days, then deleted.
It sounds to me that these are two separate things currently happening, even if the data from #2 might be used in the execution of #1 when verification is required.
If I read the article correctly, even if only some servers require age verification Persona still seems to ask for consent to mine your data. Considering how jaded most people are when it comes to cookie prompts, it would be understandable if kids just clicked yes on this consent screen to continue chatting with their friends, unaware that they just gave away their current and future data to this Palantir-linked company, even if they haven’t shared (or will ever need to share) their ID.
An ID verification scheme will always be broken by design due to the sensitive information that is shared and needs to be (cough) securely processed by some company, but at least it’s a more explicit decision and action of multiple steps required by you.
Allowing continous data mining, however, is just a simple click and something you will have forgotten about in a few hours or days.
For me this looks like Persona is only responsible for age verification. Unless you’re asked to verify your age you’re not sharing any data with them or consenting to hand them any data Discord mayhave.
Yeah, I looked at the screenshots again and it looks like it is only in the age verification flow Persona is asking for consent to collect data.
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Remember the multi-pass from 5th Element? This is not the future we were promised.
Mouultipass
